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CNT is KNOWN to be the eBay knock off brand now... I have seen their products sell as brandless/generic |
Yeah, I was just on an M3 forum, and a decent amount of people (10+)have it and really like it
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:tiphat: idc if people get the megan exhaust. im just saying, the sound it produces tends to be what a lot of people would call "unpleasant". if u love it, then rock it. like u said obviously idc for how much stuff costs. just playing devils advocate here |
So in result, you guys should go buy Megan products.
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I could never fault anyone for that. Hell, if my invidia wasn't purchased used, I would have gotten the CNT or topspeed in a heartbeat :) |
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Well let's face it that the reason why vendors probably charge more for products on a Z vs a Mustang is b/c the Z is an import. Imports cars cost more to buy than domestic cars & the same goes for repairs....HELLO. Buying anything for an import will cost more than a domestic here state side pretty much. In the end it is solely up to you as an individual on what you want to buy. A lot of the reasoning for paying that extra money is b/c the company wasn't chicken sh*t about their R&D. Maybe that company started off catering to high-end vehicles & then worked its way down to other more common vehicles. As the saying goes you have to pay to play & nothing is free, or will just be given to you. |
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Actually that would because there are fewers z's on the road then lets say mustangs, sti's, or hondas. therefore, the profit margins would have to be higher on the z's to offset the similar r&d costs that they would have on a mustang/wrx/etc... when u sell only 100 exhausts, u gotta make more money on each system. with mustangs u would sell 10,000 exhausts, so u could charge much less and make more. simple economics. |
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check xsad's wtb thread to see why not to buy megan... ironic that that popped up today lol
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Wait a F'n minute here!!!! You are telling me that Tony does not bend the pipes and weld them together with mufflers and resonators here in the US of A??!!!?! Son of A B!@#$ So you are saying he imports them from China or India pre-bent and just charges a mark-up?!?! This is too much....but please go on about how Megan exhausts are of great quality and sound.
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Haha, yeah, not everything is made overseas ;)
There is a lot of R&D in a good system, you can use basic techniques and generic stuff for a reasonable exhaust sometimes, but if you want something tuned on the specific model of car and in the case of the Z, something that has the crap tuned out of it, it'll cost ya. Mustangs? yeah, they've used the same engines for a bazillion years, essentially (i know they've updated them) but they're also large displacement V8's and the engine makes the noise no matter what. I'm not saying i agree with the current prices, but just look at the price of metal increase in the last 5+ years, it's sky-rocketed for the good stuff. I could buy a really good system for not far off two thirds the price they are these days :( |
A lot of the cost's on these "elite" brands are due to R&D. If there are less than 10,000 Z's being purchased per year, there will be fewer looking to get an exhaust (or any other after market part.) There are a lot of Mustangs, Challangers, Camaro's, Vettes, Civic's, etc out there that can justify a lower price to increase volume sales.
The only elements you can judge objectively are fit, finish, welds, and engineering. Judging subjectively (our own opinions) are sound, aesthetics, and installation. If anyone is basing their arguments on the latter, reevaluate and re-present the argument. Ebay exhausts have a bad stigma, but like it was mentioned before... they are just pipes shaped and welded. We aren't risking much investment in trying an inexpensive brand. And if we happen to like it, even better. To hate on other forum members because you have brand X, and you have brand Y is downright ignorant and distasteful. Edit: this was more so in responses to the messages prior to page four, just trying to make sure there is no confusion :) |
My only experience w/ Megan is with a turbo manifold for a CA18DET. Some people had issues with them cracking due to the weight of a top mount turbo and/or poor welds, but I had no real issues. The gasket was a joke, but that was easily remedied by going to the dealer and getting the NISSAN one. It would have been nice to have a support bracket on it, but I just had an exhaust shop weld one one for me. Was their manifold anything special............no. It was just like the others out there for the most part. Full-Race had the mother of all manifolds, but you were going to pay for it as well.
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I think a lot of people put far too much stock in what R&D for an exhaust REALLY is. I want to know what exactly people think is done when creating an exhaust? Why do most people treat this as if it is rocket science? |
initial fabbing, fitment, material selection. fine tuning the exhaust to eliminate any possible alignment or fitment issues so it can be easily replicated without any future problems. sourcing companies to provide clamps, resonaters (baring that one has not already been designed bythe company), and gaskets. building a jig. sending all the systems off to get plated/coated with either chrome, cermaic, or whatever else they decide. not rocket science, but very time involved. remember, time is money.
THEN u can start cranking them out at a relatively low cost. and for all the people that compare megan to cnt or topspeed, think about it this way. top speed, cnt, and other companies that replicate existing exhaust can charge such a low price because they skip all those steps and can just go straight to making a jig and cranking them out. whereas megan has a completely unique design than anything else on the market to them, yet can still price things at the same price point as these other companies that are replicating higher end systems. kinda makes u wonder where the money is coming out of to cut costs (more than likely material choice and QC). not saying this is all correct... just a little food for thought hell maybe they are just that nice.. |
Um, actually, Megan made their name in copying other designs.
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Anyone they feel, i think they were copying Mugen at one point.
They're not original designs, unless they changed anything in very recent times, DC sports also comes to mind. |
This thread sounds like the Stillen hate thread.
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Lol, it does... I was just trying to get some real reasoning, because I think their exhaust looks pretty legit...
I think I might be closing this thread down because it's just one person bashing another... All I wanted to say it that it looks like a high quality piece... And SOUND is NOT a good reason to say an exhaust is bad, that depends SOLELY on the person who buys it and installs it on their own cat... Quote:
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