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triadz 01-16-2012 09:16 PM

ERZ to motordyne ART pipes
 
I am making the switch from the ERZ/CNT test pipes to the motordyne ART pipes, mainly because my dyno with the erz test pipes seemed a little low and they produce alot of rasp, some have said the art pipes have noticeably less rasp than most test pipes. I will post both dynos with erz and with art pipes once they art pipes are installed.

'10Anamoly 01-20-2012 09:22 AM

In for before/after results.

r1eater 02-04-2012 09:12 PM

me too!

WAGAWAGA 02-05-2012 08:58 PM

sounds interesting

MaDMaXX 02-06-2012 02:42 PM

Got this done yet?

Skorch 02-06-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDMaXX (Post 1528992)
Got this done yet?

Looks like he did according to his sig.. Now we just need a comparison review

triadz 02-09-2012 09:17 AM

Yes the conversion was done, just waiting for my retune to get a good comparison. I also switched my k and n intakes to the stillen gen 3's, I actually had another dyno done but that was with the tune for the k and n intakes and erz test pipes, before the conversion it put down 298, and after was 290 but that was with the other tune, I'm going to my shop to get retuned tomorrow will make another update. With that being said is it common for me to get those lower numbers with the supposedly better parts in the stillen and art pipes because it was tuned for other parts?

daisuke149 02-09-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by triadz (Post 1534509)
Yes the conversion was done, just waiting for my retune to get a good comparison. I also switched my k and n intakes to the stillen gen 3's, I actually had another dyno done but that was with the tune for the k and n intakes and erz test pipes, before the conversion it put down 298, and after was 290 but that was with the other tune, I'm going to my shop to get retuned tomorrow will make another update. With that being said is it common for me to get those lower numbers with the supposedly better parts in the stillen and art pipes because it was tuned for other parts?

doing a dyno on different days, regardless of what you have changed or changed nothing can be vastly different

you can go back every month to the same place with the same setup and each month your dyno will read differently.

most places that always ask for comparative dyno's always ask for them to be done on the same day in quick order with as little variability.

MaDMaXX 02-09-2012 08:16 PM

I believe you've messed up with the intake change, the MAF sensor doesn't really like aftermarket tubes/disturbances.

'10Anamoly 02-09-2012 08:54 PM

I believe in tooth fairies and the hoards of childrens' teeth that they covet.

MaDMaXX 02-09-2012 09:58 PM

I believe i can fly?....

67ZNISMO 02-10-2012 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1534547)
doing a dyno on different days, regardless of what you have changed or changed nothing can be vastly different

you can go back every month to the same place with the same setup and each month your dyno will read differently.

most places that always ask for comparative dyno's always ask for them to be done on the same day in quick order with as little variability.

+1 Dyno's need to be done same day, possibly around the same time. There are too many factors that can change your numbers when you go different days and times

triadz 02-10-2012 10:39 PM

Well I'm going tomorrow so we'll see if not I'll have basically new gen 3's for sale

Jordo! 02-11-2012 12:18 AM

You can see variation on the same day too -- intake air heats up, engine oil heats up, etc.

So long as you are looking at SAE corrected numbers on the same type of dyno (ideally a dynojet, as they are all calibrated the same), the comparison will be meaningful and informative.

Do you have a graph of the runs? What kind of dyno?

triadz 02-11-2012 12:53 AM

Dynojet I'll upload em tomorrow

haitech 02-11-2012 10:50 AM

In for results

AlphaSnacks 02-11-2012 01:30 PM

I'll sub

triadz 02-12-2012 11:41 AM

Ok dyno has been completed final numbers with the stillen intake and motordyne test pipes 297whp 253 tq, the guy tuning my car said he tried and tried but couldn't squeeze anything else out of that set up, he told me that he thought the y pipe could be causing to much back pressure or something along those lines, and at an h or x pipe would be a more ideal setup for my car...any thoughts. O the 297 was also the last pull of the day so the car was very hot

AlphaSnacks 02-12-2012 01:14 PM

Top Speed exhaust uses a y-pipe? What size is it?

Edit: Oh wait...Top Speed uses OEM y-pipe? That's definitely a pretty pointless exhaust then. You just wasted money dynoing a car while using the worst and most restrictive part of our OEM exhausts.

triadz 02-12-2012 04:18 PM

It's not the oem y pipe and its 3 in, but even if it was why would you think that it would be pointless to do a dyno when I have other bolt ons?

edub370 02-12-2012 06:27 PM

Wait so u lost 1 peak hp after all that? What about mid range? What about tq? afr's? Can u somehow throw the before and after dynos up for comparison?

KB2 02-13-2012 06:06 PM

im confused.

triadz 02-14-2012 08:25 AM

I don't have the dynos right now I'm back in school and I am away from my z I'll post em up this weekend but yes I did lose 1whp but gained 2tq, the tuner seems to think the y pipe is causing the lower gains because my stock dyno was with the nismo exhaust and it is an h pipe

daisuke149 02-14-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by triadz (Post 1542932)
I don't have the dynos right now I'm back in school and I am away from my z I'll post em up this weekend but yes I did lose 1whp but gained 2tq, the tuner seems to think the y pipe is causing the lower gains because my stock dyno was with the nismo exhaust and it is an h pipe

I wouldnt worry too much about that man.

Like i said and others said, dyno's on different days = hard to really compare back to back, unless you run them at some super awesome facility which can control air temps, humidity etc etc. But even then, they could be diff everytime you go back.

For example, if you went back this weekend and just got a dyno, your numbers would be diff. Heck ask em if they will give you one or 2 free runs just to see that out.

One decent way to see how your numbers line up is to go to a dyno day.

2 years ago when we did a dyno day, all the stock Z's posted up numbers within 3 whp of each other.


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