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370guy 10-30-2011 04:06 PM

Interesting thought??
 
I was wondering, most of the aftermarket intakes are stainless steel tubes, which hold more heat than the plastic tubes FACT. What if, you wrapped the stainless tube in exhaust heat wrap? granted it wont be nearly as blingly:ugh2:, but it would insulate it and help to reduce intake temperatures.:happydance:. I could care less if it isnt as good looking, if i get some decent reduction on the intake charge it'll absolutely be worth it

So my question is, do you guys think its worth it? im going to try it and let you guys know what i come up with!

V8Killer 10-30-2011 04:39 PM

This has been brought up before. No it is not a good idea b/c the heat passes through so fast that it doesn't have enough time to heat up. Please remove this thread.

Red__Zed 10-30-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1384007)
This has been brought up before. No it is not a good idea b/c the heat passes through so fast that it doesn't have enough time to heat up. Please remove this thread.

:facepalm:



Wrapping drops IATs pretty substantially, especially when idling in traffic (or on the strip) A lot of guys on here have done it to good results, albeit not necessarily with exhaust wrap.

370guy 10-30-2011 04:48 PM

@V8killer not really sure what your talking about, its physically impossible for heat o move through an object "fast enough" for it to not get hot??? that doesnt really make sense and if a post on here should get removed it should probably be that before people flame you

@Red_Zed i figured it would work but what would you recomend wrapping it with? and would exhaust wrap not work the same?

theDreamer 10-30-2011 05:09 PM

It has been done with the Gen3, wstar did it: http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...html#post76374

370guy 10-30-2011 05:17 PM

@thedreamer thats exactly what i was thinking! looks like its worth doing too

V8Killer 10-30-2011 05:45 PM

To each his own, but it's a waste of time and money, unless you plan on sitting in traffic for a few hours but even then who cares b/c the temps will drop once you start moving. If you think you will pick up a couple ponies by doing this your wrong. Yes it does drop temps. but nothing significant.

370zFORme!! 10-30-2011 05:45 PM

Looks like v8killer has no idea wtf he's talking about lol

V8Killer 10-30-2011 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 370guy (Post 1384014)
@V8killer not really sure what your talking about, its physically impossible for heat o move through an object "fast enough" for it to not get hot??? that doesnt really make sense and if a post on here should get removed it should probably be that before people flame you

@Red_Zed i figured it would work but what would you recomend wrapping it with? and would exhaust wrap not work the same?

Sorry I meant to say the air passes through so fast that it doesn't really even get time to be the temperature of the intakes.

theDreamer 10-30-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1384078)
To each his own, but it's a waste of time and money, unless you plan on sitting in traffic for a few hours but even then who cares b/c the temps will drop once you start moving. If you think you will pick up a couple ponies by doing this your wrong. Yes it does drop temps. but nothing significant.

Actually, it has been shown that even with the gen3 intakes the piping will heat up from extended driving (street/track/etc.) and even though you are pulling in fresh cold air the pipes themselves had increased in temps thus heating the air.

V8Killer 10-30-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 1384086)
Actually, it has been shown that even with the gen3 intakes the piping will heat up from extended driving (street/track/etc.) and even though you are pulling in fresh cold air the pipes themselves had increased in temps thus heating the air.

I understand that but at 55mph do you really think the temperatures on the intakes are so hot that it makes the air instantly the same temperature? NO GL if he wants to wrap it I suggest he doesn't and just make sure you got a good oil cooler.

theDreamer 10-30-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1384092)
I understand that but at 55mph do you really think the temperatures on the intakes are so hot that it makes the air instantly the same temperature? NO GL if he wants to wrap it I suggest he doesn't and just make sure you got a good oil cooler.

Umm....oil cooler?
And yes, I would bet at 55mph the temps do increase dramatically if the pipes are at a higher temp. I am not saying the pipe temp will equal the air temp, but instead of having close to ambient temps your intake temps might be higher than they should be.

370guy 10-30-2011 06:04 PM

its not a matter of the intake charge being hot enough to heat the tubes up (which is a completely insane thought anyway) its a matter of proximity.

lets establish some facts first
1. the tubes sit incredibly close to motor
2. stainless steel retains heats worse than lets say plastic

@V8killer so with those facts being said (and proven)wrapping the tubes to prevent heat soak from the motor would yield a subsatantial decrease in the actual intake charge.without some sort of shielding, the tubes will "heat soak" (maybe you should look that up while your at it). im trying to call you out (even though you specifically called me out in the beginning) but you really dont seem to have any idea what your talking about. thats not your fault but it would be better for the rest if you didnt try and pretend like you did

As to the topic, i appreciate the intelligent responses from everyone and i will be trying this very soon and ill keep everyone updated on my experience and the changes it will inevitably make!

V8Killer 10-30-2011 06:10 PM

If you say so GL with the wrap.

370guy 10-30-2011 06:18 PM

:icon18:this is almost commical now:icon18

Back on topic:

Would exhaust wrap not suffice for this? Correct me if im wrong but isnt that just an insulator thats heat resistant?

Jordo! 10-30-2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 370guy (Post 1384115)
:icon18:this is almost commical now:icon18

Back on topic:

Would exhaust wrap not suffice for this? Correct me if im wrong but isnt that just an insulator thats heat resistant?

As long as it's designed to reflect radiant heat, it should work. The tube wrap wstar used is good stuff. They have other similar products that should work too.

theDreamer 10-30-2011 06:35 PM

On the exhaust side, the only thing I would consider would be headers and on that I would not do a wrap I would do a coating.

370guy 10-30-2011 06:47 PM

ill try that stuff that wstar used, it seems pretty easy to work with.

Methodical4u 10-30-2011 09:39 PM

They make a reflective tape that gets great reviews and it's good to like 1100 degrees or so. I'm not sure if that would be good enough for this, or if the actual wrap itself would be better. I would do it myself... every 10 degrees cooler is a 1% increase in HP.

Methodical4u 10-30-2011 09:50 PM

oops... didn't see the other posts about that tape lol

370guy 10-30-2011 09:51 PM

I'll look into that, that could work well. I was just thinking that while the stainless tubes may look nice they really hold heat bad. On my other cars (I come from a mustang background and my last car was an '09 GT500) I've used carbon fiber intakes and they seem to be awesome and not hold heat at all. Been searching and can't find one for our cars though. Kinda surprised to because they are the popular ones for the mustang guys for this very reason. Oh and they look bada$$!!

KevinB 10-30-2011 09:53 PM

Can't u just use an obd scan tool to monitor the intake air temp and compare it with the air temp at the intake of the gen 3 before and after you wrap it to compare? I'm not sure where the intake air temp sensor is but if it's at the level of the MAF I would think that info may be helpful. Jordo can u clarify this for me? Thx

370guy 10-30-2011 09:55 PM

That's how I'm going to do it. I e got an aero force scan gauge that I'll be using

Methodical4u 10-30-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 370guy (Post 1384272)
I'll look into that, that could work well. I was just thinking that while the stainless tubes may look nice they really hold heat bad. On my other cars (I come from a mustang background and my last car was an '09 GT500) I've used carbon fiber intakes and they seem to be awesome and not hold heat at all. Been searching and can't find one for our cars though. Kinda surprised to because they are the popular ones for the mustang guys for this very reason. Oh and they look bada$$!!

there are carbon fiber post maf tubes, but not the entire intake as far as I know.

Nissanboy 10-30-2011 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinB (Post 1384274)
Can't u just use an obd scan tool to monitor the intake air temp and compare it with the air temp at the intake of the gen 3 before and after you wrap it to compare? I'm not sure where the intake air temp sensor is but if it's at the level of the MAF I would think that info may be helpful. Jordo can u clarify this for me? Thx

I was thinking about doing the same

370guy 10-30-2011 10:01 PM

Someone should market a full carbon intake. In reference check out jlt performance (it's what I've always used). If someone could make intakes like these for our cars I think they would sell great. I definitely wouldn't be wrapping those bad boys haha

Methodical4u 10-30-2011 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 370guy (Post 1384288)
Someone should market a full carbon intake. In reference check out jlt performance (it's what I've always used). If someone could make intakes like these for our cars I think they would sell great. I definitely wouldn't be wrapping those bad boys haha

the problem is that most of the time carbon fiber anything = A LOT of money vs. a standard material.

370guy 10-31-2011 09:04 AM

That's very true, depending on the price level though it could be worth it

anthonyy 10-31-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1384280)
there are carbon fiber post maf tubes, but not the entire intake as far as I know.

Who manufactures these carbon fiber tubes?? I think Evo-R is working on a prototype...


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