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bradz 06-16-2010 05:48 PM

Dyno! Invidia Gemini, ERZ hfc & Injen CAI
 
Guys. I just dynoed my car and I was wondering if these numbers are far good or bad. Air/fuel ratio safe or what? Any opinions?

Here's the graph

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...imando/IMG.jpg




Here's the video

370Z JT 06-16-2010 05:57 PM

I think it's low. I would expected around 300-310 on a dynojet just based on other I/HFC/E combos seen on the forum. But I'm no expert.

Jordo! 06-16-2010 06:05 PM

Looks like you are locked in right around 13:1 AFR -- that should be perfectly safe and actually about optimal for best torque.

Was your car tuned, or is this untuned, just bolt on's?

bradz 06-16-2010 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 580394)
Looks like you are locked in right around 13:1 AFR -- that should be perfectly safe and actually about optimal for best torque.

Was your car tuned, or is this untuned, just bolt on's?

Another man from the town:tup:. My car is untuned buddy.

Daishi 06-16-2010 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z JT (Post 580386)
I think it's low. I would expected around 300-310 on a dynojet just based on other I/HFC/E combos seen on the forum. But I'm no expert.


I think so too.. Its hard to see but your A/F looks fine

bradz 06-16-2010 07:15 PM

I just had all these three installed 2 weeks and got like 100 miles on them. Maybe it is too early to have a dyno? Or I should have waited a little bit for the ecu to come up with my mods. I dunno sorry for being noob.

Daishi 06-16-2010 08:25 PM

Hard to really say but 100 miles and after the pulls should be enuf.. You never know maybe his dyno just reads low. You'd have to have someone else dyno their car there also.

Nitex 06-16-2010 09:34 PM

yea that is odd.. i pulled 9 more on a mustang dyno and im still on the stock tune. Maybe it does read low, but that would seem out of the ordinary for a dynojet.

How many miles total do you have on your car? Your question about the ECU and milage seems valid.

Jordo! 06-16-2010 10:01 PM

Numbers will always vary -- only way to know for sure what you gained is to compare to a baseline for your car on the same dyno, ideally under the same or similar conditions.

That said, my guess is that the gains, untuned, are about right.

And guys, this is FLORIDA in the SUMMER. That means high heat and high humidity. Both mean less air mass and less power. SAE corrections only do so much to compensate for that...

Next step is to see about getting a tune, which should definitely net you more power :tup:

Josh@STILLEN 06-16-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex (Post 580804)
yea that is odd.. i pulled 9 more on a mustang dyno and im still on the stock tune. Maybe it does read low, but that would seem out of the ordinary for a dynojet.

But you have different parts on your car.. Not all products produce the same power..

RCZ 06-16-2010 10:38 PM

zing!

efuseakay 06-16-2010 11:23 PM

What's important when you dyno is the different numbers you get from OEM to whatever mods you have installed. Every dyno... every car... will be different, and you cannot say "A Z should get these numbers on X brand dyno". It just doesn't work that way. Far too many variables.

It's all about the difference of hp/tq from OEM to aftermarket.

bradz 06-17-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitex (Post 580804)
How many miles total do you have on your car? Your question about the ECU and milage seems valid.

Thanks! I only have 5600+ miles for one year. I barely drive this car. I only drive her around town and to work.

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 580913)
But you have different parts on your car.. Not all products produce the same power..

:iagree: I only spend $1600 bux for this 3 combo. I couldn't be happier :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 580878)
Numbers will always vary -- only way to know for sure what you gained is to compare to a baseline for your car on the same dyno, ideally under the same or similar conditions.

That said, my guess is that the gains, untuned, are about right.

And guys, this is FLORIDA in the SUMMER. That means high heat and high humidity. Both mean less air mass and less power. SAE corrections only do so much to compensate for that...

Next step is to see about getting a tune, which should definitely net you more power :tup:

Yup, as of now; from their list (proven power) I am still the highest hp 370z dynoed from them. Some got like 270a to 280 horses but I don't know what their mods are. I might get a tune soon. Thanks

UFreefer 06-17-2010 07:44 AM

I dynoed 286 on their dyno with ERZ HFC's

UFreefer 06-17-2010 07:52 AM

Not to be a buzzkill but it looks like the real hp number is probably 284-285 like the two other pulls without that little false blip at the end.

Nitex 06-17-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 580913)
But you have different parts on your car.. Not all products produce the same power..

I understand that, however the word is that the Injen intakes, and ERZ HFC's produce very similar results. Maybe the Invidia Gemini is a bit more restrictive?

bradz 06-17-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UFreefer (Post 581276)
I dynoed 286 on their dyno with ERZ HFC's

Not to be a buzzkill but it looks like the real hp number is probably 284-285 like the two other pulls without that little false blip at the end.

Wow, yours was impressive. So mine 290whp then is low for the three combos if you got 286whp for just ERZ HFC.

UFreefer 06-17-2010 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bradz (Post 581363)
Wow, yours was impressive. So mine 290whp then is low for the three combos if you got 286whp for just ERZ HFC.

Well, I think their dyno might be a tad low plus like someone else said...it is rediculously hot and humid here in FL so we both might have put up slightly better numbers in less humidity.

Looks like you have a nice setup...I'd like check your car out sometime

tjlazer 06-17-2010 11:10 AM

That seems low. I think you should of done a Baseline Dyno. Always do that people.

My baseline was around 290 on a DynoJet stock!

http://www.the370z.com/573011-post3.html

bradz 06-17-2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UFreefer (Post 581405)
Well, I think their dyno might be a tad low plus like someone else said...it is rediculously hot and humid here in FL so we both might have put up slightly better numbers in less humidity.

Looks like you have a nice setup...I'd like check your car out sometime

I guess so too men. Yah, they had a 2nd meet last time at Tampa Int'l Mall but I didn't have a chance to go there because I am scheduled to work.


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Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 581616)
That seems low. I think you should of done a Baseline Dyno. Always do that people.

My baseline was around 290 on a DynoJet stock!

http://www.the370z.com/573011-post3.html

Imma gonna' try it again on winter for better temperature and humidity just like where you live lol.

UFreefer 06-17-2010 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 581616)
That seems low. I think you should of done a Baseline Dyno. Always do that people.

My baseline was around 290 on a DynoJet stock!

http://www.the370z.com/573011-post3.html

I did a same day baseline on this dyno. Mine was 275hp which shows how the location and dyno calibration have alot to do with the numbers. The gains are what is important though. In my case, I gained about 12hp and tq across the powerband with the HFC's and they brought my AF to where it should be, so I was happy

bradz 06-17-2010 07:21 PM

Does the VDC should be turned off before the dyno?

Jordo! 06-18-2010 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 581616)
That seems low. I think you should of done a Baseline Dyno. Always do that people.

My baseline was around 290 on a DynoJet stock!

http://www.the370z.com/573011-post3.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 573011)
Dyno done today at Drift Office! Only mod was Redline 5W30 oil :)

First run 286wrhp 236tq 4th Gear
Second run 287wrhp 247tq 4th Gear
Third run 294rwhp 247.72 5th Gear

They insisted in doing it in 4th but I had them do the 3rd run in 5th!

:ughdance:

That's also uncorrected, which tends to read higher...

What were the ambient temps/humidity that day?

But yeah, before anyone makes any modifcations, you really need to get a baseline and then make sure to go back to the same dyno for subsequent runs.

Jordo! 06-18-2010 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradz (Post 582440)
Does the VDC should be turned off before the dyno?

That shouldn't matter, but it's easily tested. I'll have to keep that in mind whenever I get around to dynoing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradz (Post 581692)
Imma gonna' try it again on winter for better temperature and humidity just like where you live lol.

I've seen gains of over 10% dynoing when it's 45*F instead of 95*F. On a 275+ whp car that's nearly 30 whp.

Summertime blues :icon17:

bradz 06-18-2010 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 582804)
That shouldn't matter, but it's easily tested. I'll have to keep that in mind whenever I get around to dynoing.


I've seen gains of over 10% dynoing when it's 45*F instead of 95*F. On a 275+ whp car that's nearly 30 whp.

Summertime blues :icon17:

oh well, my bad I didn't have a baseline dyno to compare with. :shakes head:

Jordo! 06-18-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradz (Post 583193)
oh well, my bad I didn't have a baseline dyno to compare with. :shakes head:

Eh, no biggie. Use this as the baseline for subsequent mods such as tuning :tup:


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