Sure tuning is way more then fueling, TBH you can tune via EGT and not even look at AFR if you are experienced enough and have correct probe placement, personally I prefer a WBo2 to relay my accurate fuel readings, EGT FB is very useful in tandam for an accurate balance of fueling and ignition, but hell, look at a rom image from any vehicle, soo many parameters that can effect the ultimate outcome, its a fine balancing act to get a smooth, reliable, well targetted, accurate vehicle.

Thats why I tune my own cars.
Yes I have popped a motor in the name of science lol

My 7 AT made 260.4 to 264 stock on the dyno, with the stillen G's it made 284, with the bumper on and no tuning of the car.
it made an honest 20 rwhp. (SAE).

Was this car tuned at all? We all know the stillen intakes lean things out a bit to make more power. HOWEVER Stillen recommends having the car tuned if you have thier intake, exhaust, cats and HEADERS. This car in this test had HFC's and Headers, which means it was running too lean to begin with, hence the power loss with the stillen intakes. Throw on the new TS intake and all the sudden the AF ratio richens up perfectly to make more power.

so whats the final verdict? does everyone agree with the TS dynos and numbers being better than the stillen G3s? Im about to pick up the TS intakes for a good price.

My old lady would kick my *** if I bought a pair of intakes for almost $2k.

With all said, I agree that the shorty intakes lose power due to heat soak, But maybe they used the first or second run only? Also I think I would be more apt to ask why the car only made 286 with headers and and HFC's. My car made 298 with stock cats and headers? ( mustang dyno) Not inflated numbers/

Share what is a good price you found ?

An arm and only half a leg :)

Im not sure 1300 more for the top secret intake is worth a 5hp 7Ft/lb Tq. I LOVE Top Secret but... Just doesnt seem worth the extra money.

I'm surprised no one questioned the air filter. Those mushroom style filters def. filter a ton less vs your standard oiled or dryflow filters, but flow more. I'm sure this attributed to the numbers slightly.