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gridlock13 06-23-2021 11:54 AM

Replacement Performance Intake Manifold
 
https://www.facebook.com/RandDMotors...19840468572576


Oh yes, we did!!!!
We have been working on a factory replacement for 2 years and almost finished up. This is an alternative to the factory plastic and will be sending it to the dyno for numbers. We will modify as needed to gain numbers in HP. We know it will gain torque based on our design. We have sent in for patent based on the designs we created. Once everything is in place after this we will be releasing it to sales. Stay tuned!

Rusty 06-23-2021 12:02 PM

Sub'd

Spooler 06-23-2021 12:18 PM

Looks like a Kinetic one and it didn't do well at all.

JLarson 06-23-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gridlock13 (Post 3999779)
https://www.facebook.com/RandDMotors...19840468572576


Oh yes, we did!!!!
We have been working on a factory replacement for 2 years and almost finished up. This is an alternative to the factory plastic and will be sending it to the dyno for numbers. We will modify as needed to gain numbers in HP. We know it will gain torque based on our design. We have sent in for patent based on the designs we created. Once everything is in place after this we will be releasing it to sales. Stay tuned!

Very cool. Good luck with this! Hope it performs the way you want, and any fresh development on this platform is certainly welcome.

redondoaveb 06-23-2021 01:00 PM

I ran it by someone that will remain nameless and he said it will probably have decreased top end power but pick up low to mid range power

JARblue 06-23-2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3999788)
I ran it by someone that will remain nameless and he said it will probably have decreased top end power but pick up low to mid range power

That's pretty much any aftermarket manifold for NA. This one won't be any different and I'm betting the mid-range won't be all that impressive.

JARblue 06-24-2021 08:06 AM

Taking pre-orders at the same time as testing? :eekdance:

Reminds me of another intake manifold release thread...

Whjaxn17 06-24-2021 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3999903)
Taking pre-orders at the same time as testing? :eekdance:

Reminds me of another intake manifold release thread...

:wtf2:

-ZS-Carpenter 06-24-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3999903)
Taking pre-orders at the same time as testing? :eekdance:

Reminds me of another intake manifold release thread...

I kinda agree but on the other hand if we want more development on the platform this is kinda what we are stuck with. Very few shops have the capital on hand to properly test stuff like this. Without some willing to be guinea pigs it's dead in the water

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Spooler 06-24-2021 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 3999914)
I kinda agree but on the other hand if we want more development on the platform this is kinda what we are stuck with. Very few shops have the capital on hand to properly test stuff like this. Without some willing to be guinea pigs it's dead in the water

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That is why we end up with a bunch of crappy untested products that are side gigs for the seller.

SouthArk370Z 06-24-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gridlock13 (Post 3999779)

I don't have a FB account. When I click on the link, I go to a "You must log in to continue." page.

-ZS-Carpenter 06-24-2021 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3999915)
That is why we end up with a bunch of crappy untested products that are side gigs for the seller.

So it's better to do nothing? I'd rather see it pan out for the guy regardless of how many failed dreams we have watched pop up. That's all I was getting at.

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Spooler 06-24-2021 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 3999919)
So it's better to do nothing? I'd rather see it pan out for the guy regardless of how many failed dreams we have watched pop up. That's all I was getting at.

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There is a way to do it. That is create the product and test the product. Once you know it works, then post it up for sale with the results.

Elmo370z 06-24-2021 01:51 PM

Got to agree with spooler on this one. Seen to many of these pop up
Over the years and slowly disappear. Be curious to see this manifold stand up to repeated boost pressures above 30 psi

JLarson 06-24-2021 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3999933)
Got to agree with spooler on this one. Seen to many of these pop up
Over the years and slowly disappear. Be curious to see this manifold stand up to repeated boost pressures above 30 psi

True, but you have to remember that some persons buy these alternate manifolds purely for appearance. In cases like that, this is not a bad decision.

Rusty 06-24-2021 03:04 PM

The way to develop a manifold is with a flow bench. Start with the stock manifold and test it at different valve lifts ,cfm and velocities. Then test and retest the new manifold against what the stock manifold produced. Once you think you got it. Then it's time for the dyno.

Elmo370z 06-24-2021 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3999934)
True, but you have to remember that some persons buy these alternate manifolds purely for appearance. In cases like that, this is not a bad decision.

Yeah I know

Spooler 06-24-2021 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3999934)
True, but you have to remember that some persons buy these alternate manifolds purely for appearance. In cases like that, this is not a bad decision.

Appearance, they should be buying the CJ Motorsport intake. Sometimes, I wish I would have just sucked it up and payed for all the extra fab work that would be required.

gridlock13 06-24-2021 08:32 PM

I understand the negative thinking. Know this. My fabricator and I are from race country. We have been friends with Dave Buschur for years. Then Tim Switzer who built the goliath GTRs . SHEPARD and Mallet vets. You name it. I trust my fabricator as he has been in this scene for a long time before most of these companies were even around. If it doesn't make power, we try again. That is the point of testing. But we will call one of these friends and tell the we are coming down for test time. We'll keep you posted.

-ZS-Carpenter 06-25-2021 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3999936)
The way to develop a manifold is with a flow bench. Start with the stock manifold and test it at different valve lifts ,cfm and velocities. Then test and retest the new manifold against what the stock manifold produced. Once you think you got it. Then it's time for the dyno.

And no one is going to cough up the coin to do that for a car that sold less than 100k units.

It is what it is on this platform. There will not be any ground breaking development done "the right way" because there is no profit in it. At best they will sell 20 parts if it works. FFS SOHO got what? 12 people on his manifold group buy.

There is no point in acting like everything has to be done like Nascar. It's a nissan that didn't sell well, thats it.

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Elmo370z 06-25-2021 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 3999982)
And no one is going to cough up the coin to do that for a car that sold less than 100k units.

It is what it is on this platform. There will not be any ground breaking development done "the right way" because there is no profit in it. At best they will sell 20 parts if it works. FFS SOHO got what? 12 people on his manifold group buy.

There is no point in acting like everything has to be done like Nascar. It's a nissan that didn't sell well, thats it.

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Well if soho runs 8’s this weekend, it might trigger some of the millionaires to start looking into the platform. Ditch the Vvel, Hr heads stand alone tuning and waaala we are able to rev these motors to 9,500 Rpms big turbos, and use these manifolds with a purpose.

Spooler 06-25-2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 3999982)
And no one is going to cough up the coin to do that for a car that sold less than 100k units.

It is what it is on this platform. There will not be any ground breaking development done "the right way" because there is no profit in it. At best they will sell 20 parts if it works. FFS SOHO got what? 12 people on his manifold group buy.

There is no point in acting like everything has to be done like Nascar. It's a nissan that didn't sell well, thats it.

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They sold ALL 15 that were made. None left. Many folks were left out in the cold and did not get one. Guess there will be a round 2.

JARblue 06-25-2021 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gridlock13 (Post 3999965)
If it doesn't make power, we try again. That is the point of testing.

Then why are you taking pre-orders already? Need that money for R&D?

-ZS-Carpenter 06-25-2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3999997)
They sold ALL 15 that were made. None left. Many folks were left out in the cold and did not get one. Guess there will be a round 2.

I'd hope he does. That is a sweet unit. I'd love to have one. Hope things are calmed down by then and I can jump in

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Whjaxn17 06-25-2021 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 3999982)
And no one is going to cough up the coin to do that for a car that sold less than 100k units.

It is what it is on this platform. There will not be any ground breaking development done "the right way" because there is no profit in it. At best they will sell 20 parts if it works. FFS SOHO got what? 12 people on his manifold group buy.

There is no point in acting like everything has to be done like Nascar. It's a nissan that didn't sell well, thats it.

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Imagine asking to get ripped off:ugh2:

Spooler 06-25-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3999993)
Well if soho runs 8’s this weekend, it might trigger some of the millionaires to start looking into the platform. Ditch the Vvel, Hr heads stand alone tuning and waaala we are able to rev these motors to 9,500 Rpms big turbos, and use these manifolds with a purpose.

Not happening. 3rd Gear broke again. Time for a billet gear sets. It is not going to be cheap either.

-ZS-Carpenter 06-25-2021 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 4000002)
Imagine asking to get ripped off:ugh2:

:facepalm: that's exactly what I said :facepalm:

With the attitude some people have around here we should just dig a grave for the car and call it a day.

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