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InnerDragon10 03-21-2015 04:59 PM

Help - new FI HFC leaking at gaskets on exhaust side
 
Installed Fast Intentions HFC, and have been fighting with the SES light for over a week now. I spoke with Tony @ Fast Intentions and he helped narrow it down. I went under the hood and tightened alot of fasteners on my Stillen CAI system (surprised to find so many!), but now I have a different issue.

The gaskets are leaking between the stock Nismo CBE and the back of the cats. I found out by observing condensate dripping from them after starting the car. I've tightened the bolts a lot. These are new gaskets and new bolts. I'll post a video once it's done uploading.

Assuming my flanges are all straight, why can't I get the gaskets to seal? They're symmetrical (as far as I know) and shouldn't have a specific orientation, so what gives? Anyone else come across this issue?

InnerDragon10 03-21-2015 05:58 PM

Video:
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/...321_172022.mp4

JARblue 03-21-2015 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by InnerDragon10 (Post 3144757)
Assuming my flanges are all straight, why can't I get the gaskets to seal?

This would be a nice assumption, but have you actually checked the flanges? Other than that, not sure man. If the gaskets are new, it's unlikely they are the culprit.

37zeroZ 03-22-2015 10:35 AM

I had the same problem when I installed my AAM exhaust. After firing it up, I had leaks on all fours seals after the cats. One being worse than the others. I wound up redoing those flanges by applying cooper seal to the four gaskets. All turned out great.....no leaks.

Chuck33079 03-22-2015 10:52 AM

RTV the hell out of it and go on about your day.

TechnicZ 03-22-2015 11:43 AM

I would take a wire brush bit attached to a drill to clean the mating surfaces. A gasket won't work if both surfaces werent somewhat clean.

InnerDragon10 03-22-2015 12:15 PM

Yea i put a straight edge on them to check. I ended up using permatex, so we'll see if I solved it.

Trips 03-22-2015 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3145321)
RTV the hell out of it and go on about your day.

:iagree:

InnerDragon10 03-23-2015 01:35 PM

Got the SES light again. However, I admit that I didn't let the copper permatex set for 24 hrs before returning to service (more like one hour, I just didn't have the time to let it sit), and I only re-did the y-pipe to HFC flanges. Looks like I'll have to pull it all down this weekend (have four new gaskets on order), and will apply sealant to all four flanges. Sigh.

37zeroZ 03-23-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by InnerDragon10 (Post 3146343)
Got the SES light again. However, I admit that I didn't let the copper permatex set for 24 hrs before returning to service (more like one hour, I just didn't have the time to let it sit), and I only re-did the y-pipe to HFC flanges. Looks like I'll have to pull it all down this weekend (have four new gaskets on order), and will apply sealant to all four flanges. Sigh.

I let mine sit for nearly two days. Overkill, however, I applied a fair amount to each side of the gasket.

Merv 03-23-2015 06:27 PM

What I did was just snug up all 3 nuts,than do another round of tightening on all 3,THEN I torqued the sh:t out of them! Kind of like how you do the lugs on the wheel.

37zeroZ 03-23-2015 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Merv (Post 3146598)
What I did was just snug up all 3 nuts,than do another round of tightening on all 3,THEN I torqued the sh:t out of them! Kind of like how you do the lugs on the wheel.

Won't work if the flanges are off. I even purchased higher strength hardware thinking I can muscle stainless steel. I was wrong.......even afraid I would crack the weld joints. The Ultra Cooper solved my problem......simple and solved my problems.

Merv 03-24-2015 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 37zeroZ (Post 3146655)
Won't work if the flanges are off. I even purchased higher strength hardware thinking I can muscle stainless steel. I was wrong.......even afraid I would crack the weld joints. The Ultra Cooper solved my problem......simple and solved my problems.

I just re read the post and seen he's using high flows in conjunction with nismo exhaust. I could see how they might not match up. :tiphat:

InnerDragon10 03-24-2015 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 37zeroZ (Post 3146655)
Won't work if the flanges are off. I even purchased higher strength hardware thinking I can muscle stainless steel. I was wrong.......even afraid I would crack the weld joints. The Ultra Cooper solved my problem......simple and solved my problems.

So you had some exhaust leaks and resolved them with permatex? I hope that's the case for me, I'm gonna be pissed if that SES light still comes up..

37zeroZ 03-24-2015 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InnerDragon10 (Post 3147972)
So you had some exhaust leaks and resolved them with permatex? I hope that's the case for me, I'm gonna be pissed if that SES light still comes up..

Yes, as stated, I had four flange leaks and used Permatex Ultra Copper to stop the leaks. I waited longer than the recommended 24-hours to fully dry before I fired up the Z and drove off.

The SES can be or not be related to a problem with your exhaust. I suggest after you correctly Permatex your seals is to reset your ECU.

Here's a good link to do so:

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ve-method.html

HapaZ 03-25-2015 11:47 AM

I believe I am battling a similar issue - could you hear the leaks in the cabin while revving? Say like above 4k?

37zeroZ 03-25-2015 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HapaZ (Post 3148808)
I believe I am battling a similar issue - could you hear the leaks in the cabin while revving? Say like above 4k?

Unless you have a huge gash in your exhaust, I doubt so. Just look at your flanges while in neutral and have someone press the accelerator.

InnerDragon10 03-29-2015 03:55 PM

Spent Saturday taking it all apart, cleaned flanges with a Dremel wire wheel, and permatex'd the sh*t out of everything. Took a reading today after running errands (pic below).

Now we wait.

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/...328_172704.jpg

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/...328_174952.jpg

After driving today. A permanent code was still stored in the ecu for run lean condition, and that has since disappeared (something i learned: you can't erase permanent codes, only your ecu can determine if the issue is resolved)
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/...329_164334.jpg

DavidZ370 03-29-2015 04:02 PM

permatex=poop in my experience, my berks where also leaking with permatex until I got some damn legit gaskets... no more leaks or codes 7k

InnerDragon10 03-29-2015 04:11 PM

Yea Dave I've got both gaskets and the permatex on there. Hoping the permatex will help seal up imperfections.


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