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theDreamer 09-25-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2978539)
The answer to that is in the question: Has anyone tuned a 370z with gasoline/93 and 1000cc injectors?

I tried and wasnt able to get it to run clean... but it was also my very first time even opening up the UpRev software. Thats why I originally made the switch to E85, as a bandaid to water down my injectors since I wasnt able to get them to run clean. But I got hooked on it and never looked back.

I wouldnt be even remotely surprised if more experienced UpRev tuners have done it without a problem. Heck, I might even be able to if I tried again now.

I believe DM is running a 93 tune and finishing up his e85 tune so he can run either if ever required.
Jwillis, you can run multiple tunes, but if going to e85 I would just go all the way to make it easier. Though need to evaluate your e85 stations and plans with the car.

dmhenderson 09-25-2014 03:52 PM

E85 with a Stillen supercharger?
 
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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2978529)
It didn't work out so you bought a different car? holy crap lol


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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2978544)
I believe DM is running a 93 tune and finishing up his e85 tune so he can run either if ever required.

Jwillis, you can run multiple tunes, but if going to e85 I would just go all the way to make it easier. Though need to evaluate your e85 stations and plans with the car.


This is correct. I want to be able to run both. 93oct on huge injectors with a beefy fuel pump likely caused a bunch of my issues.

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JWillis72 09-25-2014 03:55 PM

Well that sucks! Glad I asked, I just looked it up and there is only one E85 pump around here and it's a long ways from me!

dmhenderson 09-25-2014 04:02 PM

Bear in mind that E85 burns 2-3x faster than regular pump gas too (iirc) so you're gonna need to know where you can fill up at all times.


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phunk 09-25-2014 04:04 PM

I wouldnt depend on the out-dated websites. I would ask locals who run it... they will know where it really is. At least around here, the websites show places having it that havent in a very long time, and do not list many of the places that do now.

JWillis72 09-25-2014 04:15 PM

Ok I'll ask around, my tuner knows where several are but he's 1 1/2 hours from me.


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JWillis72 09-25-2014 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2978578)
Bear in mind that E85 burns 2-3x faster than regular pump gas too (iirc) so you're gonna need to know where you can fill up at all times.


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Hmm... That also means I need place between me and the Florida tracks, this could be a problem because I travel through the middle of nowhere.

JWillis72 09-25-2014 04:24 PM

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This looks hopeful, I guess I need to start checking places out and see who really has it.


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BGTV8 09-25-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2978423)

Edit: Let me tell you about how fun it was to load up four 5 gallon containers with E85 and haul them to my tuner...

Well off-topic, but I am taking my race car to Philip Island tomorrow for a test day (been chasing a drive-line vibration for 2 meetings now) and my car uses 4 litres/lap (4.5km per lap), and the test plan for the day calls for 5 sessions of an out lap, 4 timed laps and an in lap, so I am expecting to use 80-100 litres, which is 5 20-litre tins (no E85 offered at the circuit fuel dump), so I understand your point precisely.

E85 is great for making good power and keeping the engine cool, but f4rk you use a lot of it !!!

dmhenderson 09-25-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2978580)
I wouldnt depend on the out-dated websites. I would ask locals who run it... they will know where it really is. At least around here, the websites show places having it that havent in a very long time, and do not list many of the places that do now.


There are a couple phone apps that are pretty accurate from what I've seen so far.


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JWillis72 09-25-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2978661)
There are a couple phone apps that are pretty accurate from what I've seen so far.


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Know what they are called?

dmhenderson 09-25-2014 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2978539)
The answer to that is in the question: Has anyone tuned a 370z with gasoline/93 and 1000cc injectors?

Yep. I'm driving around like that right now :)
If you need help getting the tune straightened out, Frank Hill (Hill's Garage) wrote my maps from scratch. He's a whiz with Uprev.

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2978530)
Are you saying I won't be able to have a pump gas tune and E85 at the same time?


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You will need two separate tune maps for E85 and 93oct. Your car will be extremely unhappy with you if you try to run the wrong gas with the wrong tune. How unhappy? I don't know but I certainly don't intend to find out. Wrong timing = really bad things happen. Uprev holds 5 maps so once you get it set up right you can just flip back and forth provided you completely drain the tank before you flip.


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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2978664)
Know what they are called?

FlexFinder is the one I tested out. It was accurate for the 3 stations I visited.
I also have one just called Flex-Fuel that I haven't really played with yet.

I wish Gasbuddy would add E85 but oh well.

JWillis72 09-25-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2978759)


You will need two separate tune maps for E85 and 93oct. Your car will be extremely unhappy with you if you try to run the wrong gas with the wrong tune. How unhappy? I don't know but I certainly don't intend to find out. Wrong timing = really bad things happen. Uprev holds 5 maps so once you get it set up right you can just flip back and forth provided you completely drain the tank before you flip.




I have three now, 93, 93 with meth and one that only goes 60mph or 4000 rpm( I let my son take the car to prom).

phunk 09-25-2014 08:01 PM

I have put 93 in and driven on my e85 tune. I stayed out of boost because it would be too much timing and too rich, but just driving around mostly low throttle, other than the terrible smell of pump gas without cats, im not sure i could tell the difference.

So i guess that right there is my 1st person evidence that 1000cc are fine with 93 LOL, it was probably just something i was screwing up when first starting tuning.

dmhenderson 09-25-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2978802)
I have put 93 in and driven on my e85 tune. I stayed out of boost because it would be too much timing and too rich, but just driving around mostly low throttle, other than the terrible smell of pump gas without cats, im not sure i could tell the difference.

Don't have that luxury with a supercharger. I mean, you could keep it really low but it's not like a turbo where you can just keep it completely out.

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So i guess that right there is my 1st person evidence that 1000cc are fine with 93 LOL, it was probably just something i was screwing up when first starting tuning.
To be fair, it took Frank who is a wizard with Uprev almost a full week to get it right.


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