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Nismo6972 08-30-2014 10:36 AM

Coolers for forced induction
 
I am in the process of setting my car up for an SC (Tuner) somewhere down the road. JWT clutch is in, along with HD CSC, and have a 19 row oil cooler, which will be swapped to a 30 row. I am also going to the CSF triple pass radiator/condenser. My question is, will I need to add a Trans cooler, and brake cooler? Oil pan spacer for more volume? I don't track much, but that may change in the near future.
What other recommendations are there?

Thanks in advance

S

Infidel 08-30-2014 11:37 AM

My biggest recommendation is to have enough cash for a rebuild if your motor grenades....as me how I know. :mad:

Nuc370z 08-30-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo6972 (Post 2947961)
I am in the process of setting my car up for an SC (Tuner) somewhere down the road. JWT clutch is in, along with HD CSC, and have a 19 row oil cooler, which will be swapped to a 30 row. I am also going to the CSF triple pass radiator/condenser. My question is, will I need to add a Trans cooler, and brake cooler? Oil pan spacer for more volume? I don't track much, but that may change in the near future.
What other recommendations are there?

Thanks in advance

S

What type of transmission do you have? Manual transmissions are dry, so they can't be cooled. For brakes, are you talking about the Stillen air ducts? If you are, I would recommend it for heavy track use, but if it is mainly DD, then would not be worth it, just upgraded brakes or at least brake pads. Oil pan spacer is a plus, but you could also add a power steering cooler if you really needed to or a differential cover (the nismo editions have it to keep the differential temperatures cool so they don't "burn").

Nismo6972 08-30-2014 07:48 PM

oops
 
What happened?

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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 2947980)
My biggest recommendation is to have enough cash for a rebuild if your motor grenades....as me how I know. :mad:


Infidel 08-30-2014 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo6972 (Post 2948229)
What happened?

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...-grenaded.html

JWillis72 08-30-2014 08:34 PM

Did you ever get the car up and running?

BGTV8 08-31-2014 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuc370z (Post 2948147)
What type of transmission do you have? Manual transmissions are dry, so they can't be cooled. For brakes, are you talking about the Stillen air ducts? If you are, I would recommend it for heavy track use, but if it is mainly DD, then would not be worth it, just upgraded brakes or at least brake pads. Oil pan spacer is a plus, but you could also add a power steering cooler if you really needed to or a differential cover (the nismo editions have it to keep the differential temperatures cool so they don't "burn").

And here was me thinking all these years that a manual transmission had oil in it ... and that it might need cooling if subjected to extreme duty.

Seems I was wrong .....

Nuc370z 08-31-2014 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BGTV8 (Post 2948380)
And here was me thinking all these years that a manual transmission had oil in it ... and that it might need cooling if subjected to extreme duty.

Seems I was wrong .....

Sorry about this mistake. D: manual transmissions do have fluid in them, but there aren't any coolers for the manual transmissions. They rarely go to unsafe temperatures even when abused.

Infidel 08-31-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2948245)
Did you ever get the car up and running?

Nope...not yet. Still working on it, waiting for Weisco pistons to show up.

Chuck33079 08-31-2014 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 2948558)
Nope...not yet. Still working on it, waiting for Weisco pistons to show up.


Is VSR building the motor? I can't remember how you left it with them.

Nismo6972 08-31-2014 11:58 AM

Damn Shame
 
That's horrible. That's the state of a lot of shops nowadays. Charge top dollar for crap, then admit to nothing, blame it on something else, and keep taking peoples money.
I am lucky that I have a great shop. I know heaps of people that go there, and I have had to go in a couple times (My wife too) to sort a couple things, and they did...at no extra charge. I also saw a build they did on I think a GT500, and the motor grenaded. Seems there was a drop in communication between the manuf. and the shop. Bottom line is...they sorted the car for the owner at their expense. In my book, that's top notch, and that's why people keep coming back. In a good world, it can be profitable for everyone. My car gets tricked out as promised, and they continue drawing more business.
I hope it all comes together, and you get over the hump.





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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 2948234)


Arrvaxx 08-31-2014 12:19 PM

I am of the mind that cooler is, with the exception of start up, always better. The lubricants we use in each of the parts you mentioned break down when heated.

Think about boiling water. Ever notice that there is a progression to full boil? That is because some molecules will react to heat at a lower temperature (the boiling point we all toss around is actually an average temperature for the liquid not an absolute). The same is true with lubricants. Every time you heat your lubricant some of it breaks down. That is why an engine oil that is never stressed still breaks down. Over time contaminates change the temperature that such things occur.

My point is that there is no reason not to use coolers even in daily driving. It is just that your return on investment is different and thus for most not worth the time, expense, and effort.

With that in mind if you don't track your car or regularly drive it hard and change your fluids as recommended the only thing you really need to invest in is an oil cooler. Sounds like you are doing that so right on.

*Edit: Sorry reread your original post. If you are going to track the car then yes, invest in a larger oil pan and Nismo diff cover. You should also put in a power steering cooler. Most people seem to forget about that fluid and don't change it...then it boils. Brake cooling could save your life on a track but more importantly remember to change the fluid before every event so that you are operating in the 'dry' boil point.

djtodd 09-01-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuc370z (Post 2948385)
Sorry about this mistake. D: manual transmissions do have fluid in them, but there aren't any coolers for the manual transmissions. They rarely go to unsafe temperatures even when abused.


Actually they do get really hot at the track. I am considering adding a second core beside my diff cooler for the trans, purely for longevity.

For the op, I wouldn't worry about the trans cooler at first unless you really beat on it at the track a lot. I would get at least a 34 row oil cooler, and highly recommend the csf triple pass rad. A vented hood is also a very good idea if you can swing it.

And brake cooling...sweet baby Jesus brake cooling.

Rangerz 09-01-2014 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djtodd (Post 2949467)
sweet baby Jesus brake cooling.

Woohaaaaaa....break cooling nismo break cooling:stirthepot:

djtodd 09-01-2014 06:35 PM

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...7d7df20dbf.jpg

Yes my precious!


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