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FPenvy 09-02-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 2950002)
Maybe you could buy the F.I. Manifolds and make those work with a little fabrication work?

no idea how those would line up. i know the FI kit is primarily all V-bands. not sure what the GTM kit has off the top of my head or without looking up pics.

Kojack 09-02-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 2950002)
Maybe you could buy the F.I. Manifolds and make those work with a little fabrication work?

Someone asked about it. FI will not sell just the manifolds. You'll have to buy the complete kit

Edit: I think CJ Motorsports made manifolds only but it's v-band

phunk 09-02-2014 03:07 PM

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We made a set of manifolds for our 350z, to put GTX3076R's on the side. They arent exactly available for order, although we could make more. These were about fitting really large turbos... probably larger than anyone else has put on the side of the VQ (rather than down below like most the big turbo VQs). These manifolds would be a pain in the *** for anyone wanting to install them to their GTM kit. Nothing would fit up correctly, and you would have to redo everything and buy new turbine housings.

If someone sent us the GTM manifolds, we could make bolt up replacements for them. Depending on how many people wanted them, and depending on what style, we could probably make a batch of them.

Things to consider:

More people (possible GB), brings costs down

Fabricated has less upfront investment and less initial time involved than cast, but has higher individual costs unless the volume is REALLY high, which it wouldnt be. Fabricated ones stay just as hard to make forever, where castings are easy as pie once the expensive tooling is built and refined.

Fabricated can be easily repaired by any welder if it ever cracked. Cast *can* be repaired, but nobody wants to do it or trusts it.

Cast is able to produce nicer smoother runners in tighter spaces than fabricated reasonably can. Fabricated can make very nice smooth runners and collectors but takes more space to do so.

We could also do a hybrid billet SS and fabricated manifold that would be SICK, but we would be looking at $$$.

If someone sends me the GTM manifolds, I can put the flange relationships into CAD and then we could consider options if you guys wanted.

DIGItonium 09-09-2014 08:24 AM

If I were to do this all over again I'd get F.I. or AAM, but that's not the case. My only guess for switching to V-bands is to replace the exhaust housing. There are a few choices down the road:
  • Overhaul the turbos and get new manifolds.
  • Brand new turbos, manifolds, and retrofit charge pipes from the turbos to GTM kit.
  • Sell the car to a gearhead to take over my project, take a deep breath, and relax for awhile. :icon14:

Juztin 09-09-2014 10:36 PM

Welp CZP cancelled the order they had with GTM for the waste-gate conversion kit I placed with CZP (and not GTM thank goodness). They hadn't heard a single word from Sam @ GTM since 7/17 (before that was constant pestering and some back and forth comms) and they are owed some turbo kits as well aside from the waste-gate kit.

So that's what came of that 5 month wait for that. Wish I had better news for the folks that have GTM orders. Probably end up having my builder just fab up the waste-gate kit off of pictures. Ah well. GTM can't even get a couple of pipes and waste-gates together in 5 months for $1,200 potential sale.

Z eliminator 09-10-2014 07:30 AM

23 months waiting for the stage 3 SC upgrades.
15 months for the 4.2 stroker
gave him a fully dressed engine 100 miles on it.
Sent him my june cams.
paid in full, last Dec. 2014.

no chance of getting money back
Looks like a $ 30.000.00 dollar loss.

im a 11 year customer and this is the first time that he has not come through.
talk to him weekly.
Had trouble with the wrong valves for the stage 3 heads, had trouble with the engine rods.
All ways has to check with the machinist or engine builder to see what is happening.
it all ways 2 weeks,
he has not been well, we are very good friends, but business is business. and im very disappointed.


nobody to blame but my self.

Z

elperuano 09-10-2014 07:43 AM

Ouch... ssorry to hear that. 30k is nice chunk of change. For him to pocket that and give you nothing in return is sickening.

FPenvy 09-10-2014 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2959485)
23 months waiting for the stage 3 SC upgrades.
15 months for the 4.2 stroker
gave him a fully dressed engine 100 miles on it.
Sent him my june cams.
paid in full, last Dec. 2014.

no chance of getting money back
Looks like a $ 30.000.00 dollar loss.

im a 11 year customer and this is the first time that he has not come through.
talk to him weekly.
Had trouble with the wrong valves for the stage 3 heads, had trouble with the engine rods.
All ways has to check with the machinist or engine builder to see what is happening.
it all ways 2 weeks,
he has not been well, we are very good friends, but business is business. and im very disappointed.


nobody to blame but my self.

Z

$30K loss?!?

yea i'd be in the car or gettin on a plane to cali to beat it out of him.

that's a big chunk of change to lose to a company scamming this many people.

honestly i reaslly hope someone lawyers up and takes the whole company down. at first this was interesting to read but after seeing how many people have been screwed out of way to much money its just pathetic.

Z eliminator 09-10-2014 07:51 AM

im sure that in the next 6 months he will have it ready.
Ive just missed my last 3, z drag racing days up here.
over the last year.
Vivid racing just called last week, my Ings + 1 body kit is here. including the fenders.

Why get a lawyer " American greed show" better option

Z

NoLaKrewe 09-10-2014 07:55 AM

I'd kill someone. 30 stacks. Some people work all year for that.

Z eliminator 09-10-2014 08:01 AM

Not worth going to jail for doing that.

NoLaKrewe 09-10-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2959523)
Not worth going to jail for doing that.

Well duh! However, considering GTMs reputation across multiple boards I think authorities would have problems narrowing down the search LOL

FPenvy 09-10-2014 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2959514)
im sure that in the next 6 months he will have it ready.
Ive just missed my last 3, z drag racing days up here.
over the last year.
Vivid racing just called last week, my Ings + 1 body kit is here. including the fenders.

Why get a lawyer " American greed show" better option

Z

yea whats another 6 months.........

honestly i think there should be something done legally.

letting it sit and wait is basically like giving them a slap on the wrist.

i feel like i'm watching goodell punish NFL players in this thread.

then sayin "hey Ray! nice left hook!"

:facepalm:

BlkNismo 09-10-2014 09:48 AM

more and more guys chiming in over getting screwed by GTM.
I feel your pain. What a pos so called business.

pulled right from their site....this is all lies.
"what makes us different and unique from everyone else is our dedication, hard work, and strive for excellent customer service"

what a joke

MMC Racing 09-10-2014 10:58 AM

It only pays to sue if the person you are suing has the funds to pay.


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