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jwick 05-16-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821732)
same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp

I guess I'll chime in with my numbers just to add fuel to the fire. These are adjusted for DJ equivalents

BP 9psi (62kPa) 3K rpm ---- 201rwhp 345rwtq
BP 9psi (62kPa) 4k rpm ---- 334rwhp 434rwtq

The FI kit is awesome and I have nothing bad to say about it. As with anything there are pros and cons to TT and single T. I stand by single turbo and the BP kit does perform very well. Not to mention that having the turbo basically right there under the floor board gives you all the good turbo noises all the time.

I would also like to mention that PSI means NOTHING. It's about how much air is moving. Boost levels are only compariable with similar/equal sized turbos.

jwick 05-16-2014 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 2821699)
You're looking at $12K+ homie !!! That's one hell of a loan :ugh2:

Dude I'd say plan for $15k...FI is not cheap. Not to mention that you need $6-8k sitting around for the 'I popped my motor' fund. Both of these kits are real good but things happen. You are talking about boosting a NA factory car.

TopgunZ 05-16-2014 10:57 PM

True. I took advantage of the timing E85 allows you to advance. My other option would have been garb 91 pump and theres no way I would have hit my numbers on 9lbs with it.

jwick 05-16-2014 10:59 PM

I'm running 93 octane. Boost is somewhere between 9-9.7lbs as I get a little variance between the gauge and boost controller. Also running as little timing as possible to keep torque down. There is no funny business in my tune.

faceglide 05-17-2014 01:18 AM

OP, just call both of the vendors up, talk it up and decide for yourself.

I can tell you that I love my kit, have not had a single problem with it at all in the past 4 months, almost 8000 miles. I have been daily driving it in 80-90 degree weather on a 45 mile(each way) commute with traffic, ac blaring mixed in with some good 5 mile runs in between where I can get into it. Has never made me sweat yet, so solid. It has never stopped, always started up, boost is always there, on time, always the amount I dialed in. But I am pretty biased because I love the **** out of this kit.

BP guys also love their kits. Sasha is a good man, the kit is pretty damned sound. If anyone has anything bad to say about either of these kits, well then they are just plain ignorant.

Get with both these vendors and let them help you decide what is best for you. I do not own a BP kit, so I cannot tell you if I had any concerns or advantages when compared to a FI kit, or vice versa. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about my FI experience and my thoughts on all this.

All I can tell you OP, is that you are in the correct place, with the correct mindset and NO, I do not think your question is stupid at all, it is very valid, I am sure you are not the only one!

Happy Boostin Brothas!

Mr.Squeeze 05-17-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821732)
same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp

These numbers are just not true for the BP kits that are out there also ignition timing plays a

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821864)
I understand that.. And I'm not trying to diss BP here. It's a nice kit! But show me a trap speed for BP. Fast intentions did 126mph on their 100 octane tune 10psi

There was one car that F.I had that trapped 126 MPH I haven't seen a B.P car yet . A GTM stage 1 TT trapped 127 MPH on pump gas 93 , basically what I'm saying is you can't base power from these kits on trap speed alone. This is because it's just not enough boosted cars in our community going to the 1/4 track.


To the O.P you need to contact speak to both vendors and weigh your options come up with you're own list of what you're looking for. from both kits
Tony from F.I and Sasha both offer excellent kits and top notch customer service.

TopgunZ 05-17-2014 08:39 AM

The fact that this guy ^ is going from a stage 3 TT setup to a siingle has to say something. Granted its not from an FI kit which will be a better quality kit.

Squeeze, what size snail are you going with on your future setup?

Honestly, any one who has the FI kit is going to ******* love it and post they do. Anyone with the BP kit is going to do the same and say the same. You cant go wrong with either.

Its like fake boobs compared to real. They are both tremendous amounts of fun. :tup:

TerribleONE 05-17-2014 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821864)
I understand that.. And I'm not trying to diss BP here. It's a nice kit! But show me a trap speed for BP. Fast intentions did 126mph on their 100 octane tune 10psi

My car trapped 126 @ 10psi on my 91 octane tune.

Super Werty 05-17-2014 09:34 AM

well I stand corrected on the power numbers then. I had only seen the BP dyno on their own Turbo thread, not customers cars. Maybe they should change that!

Mr.Squeeze 05-17-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 2822620)
The fact that this guy ^ is going from a stage 3 TT setup to a siingle has to say something. Granted its not from an FI kit which will be a better quality kit.

Squeeze, what size snail are you going with on your future setup?

Honestly, any one who has the FI kit is going to ******* love it and post they do. Anyone with the BP kit is going to do the same and say the same. You cant go wrong with either.

Its like fake boobs compared to real. They are both tremendous amounts of fun. :tup:

I am going with a 6766 1.32 A/R

TopgunZ 05-17-2014 10:05 AM

Cant wait to see your results. It will be awesome to have someone go from twins to a single and provide feedback.

Its going to be nuts. Have you seen what I did with my 6266 at 19lbs at 4k? Your setup is going to punch you in the face! :eek:

jwick 05-17-2014 10:06 AM

That's the other thing about the BP kit. Sasha changed the turbo at some point to a 1.15A/R. Some of us also have the ball bearing turbo and I believe his original graph is journal bearing. These options really make a difference in performance.

Bottom line both kits are fantastic. The FI kit is probably the best option on the market but it comes at a cost. I didn't have Tony price me an option since it doesn't currently fit a G37 but based on what comes with it I would assume $11-12k out the door for what I got from Sasha for $8k. Add on to the fact that I haven't seen anyone install a FI kit themselves, so add another probably 10-15hrs of additional shop labor and you get to 4-5k extra.

All said and done the FI kit kit is probably slightly better. $4k better is a decision only you can make.

No way you are disappointed with either.

jwick 05-17-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2822651)
I am going with a 6766 1.32 A/R

So excited to see numbers on a big boy turbo setup

Hotrodz 05-17-2014 03:55 PM

Op there is a lot of good information that has been presented and should be considerd here. I just want to add my two cents in that you really can't compare the two kits againts each other other than anacdotally. A better comparision would be between the top two single turbo kits and and likewise with the twins. It should be obvious that a twin kit will cost more than a single, you just need to do a list of all the parts and that alone will explain the increase in cost. That said, the FI kit is fairly priced for a top quaity tt kit. Your choice should be based on what is best for your wants, needs and desires, our opinions are just that. The facts are, both kits rock and after 10k flawless miles on mine I could not be any happier. It has been worth every dime I spent!!! Also, your budget should be between 15 and 20k if you want to do it right. I wish you the best in which ever choice you make. Boost on.......

DasBurkey 05-18-2014 09:48 AM

Thank you all for the feedback, like I said im still new to the FI chapter in life with my z. Im going to continue my research. You guys have def helped alot!!!!!

Mr.Squeeze 05-18-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 2822657)
Cant wait to see your results. It will be awesome to have someone go from twins to a single and provide feedback.

Its going to be nuts. Have you seen what I did with my 6266 at 19lbs at 4k? Your setup is going to punch you in the face! :eek:

Yes I saw all the tq you made at 4k at 19 pounds :eek:. I will be my results for sure . I plan on starting at 15 PSI low boost and go up from there to around 24-25 pounds of boost.



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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 2822779)
So excited to see numbers on a big boy turbo setup

I am excited my self can't wait I really believe the numbers are going to be great.

Nissan370 05-20-2014 11:12 AM

:shakes head:dammit mr squeeze can you stand still so we can caught up.lol
getting the car back some time this week with some 600+rwhp numbers and now your going bigger.

DEpointfive0 05-20-2014 11:18 AM

I think this thread can be simplified...

OP, do you have 6-7k, or do you have 10-11k JUST for the kit itself? If you have 10-11, FI, if not, BP


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