Gotta agree there.
It's in black and white. Everyone BUT said company keeps chiming in. People who waited from beginning (one donor car I believe) couldn't wait anymore.
Guys just know how it has played out BEFORE so it would only be right to inform those who are on the fence to be wary.

Yeah, it's all just blown out of proportion. :rofl2:

Mob Mentality
"When a group of people has assembled because they're emotional and angry about something, it only takes one act of violence to whip the crowd into a fury. Others will follow the initial rioter's lead and begin destroying property or hurting people. A lot of research has been conducted into the mindset of a violent mob. Being part of a group can destroy people's inhibitions, making them do things they'd never otherwise do. They lose their individual values and principles and adopt the group's principles, which, during a riot, are usually to cause destruction and avoid detection. This standard can seem to be a just and righteous one, since the mobs assembled after an act of perceived inequality or unfairness, and the communal emotion can make the cause seem even more important. Being in the midst of a mob can be exciting and powerful, and it can make people feel invisible -- they are part of a huge group, and they won't be detected or held responsible for their actions."

Go back through this thread, the other one that I started recently and any other GTM related threads and try to find me some examples of when any positive feedback towards GTM has been liked by a large group. Or more specifically by those individuals whom have been the most vocal in a negative way in these threads recently. You wont find any. Once these people have got it in their head that they are right, they refuse to see things objectively or from a balanced viewpoint and therefore choose to ignore comments which disagree with their point of view. This is also true of myself. I am more likely to believe the positive comments over the negative as I have a vested interest. That being said, i can also pull out of the MHI deal at any time which helps to give balance and helps me see things more objectively.

The post by Alstann just a little earlier today is the perfect example. Constructive, helpful and providing information which helps those who are involved in the group by, that post has been practically ignored.....

Keep at it, guy. I'm trying to figure out which you'll get first- a clue or your turbo kit. :rofl2:

We should start a pool. Only problem is it could very well end up a push and no money will change hands. :rofl2:

Where in his post did he tell everybody the new estimated time frame for the kit to ship? I would think that's what most people would be waiting on. Otherwise his post said the cast parts are "trickling in" and they'll get started to bending pipe sometime down the line. That made you feel better?

The question then becomes, why speak up now and not far earlier? Why are so many speaking up now who were positive in the beginning.

Not being able to wait is one thing and is perfectly understandable. Talking positively 6 months ago, then pulling out and saying that everything was obviously bad from the start and that those who have not pulled out like they have must be idiots for not knowing, is something completely different.

I call it mob mentality......

Anyway, I digress.....

For those still involved in the group buy I have a funny feeling that something might happen within the next 48hrs.....call it a hunch........

If that's the case Alstann should be very upset with the answer he got.

And back to the lame insults......congrats.

I didn't say that it made me feel any better. Did you completely miss the entire point of my post?

Alstann was simply providing his opinion/feedback based on what he has experienced recently. After going to the trouble of writing a very long post, no one even responded or clicked the like button. However, every time someone posts up a quick, negative one-liner it gets 'liked' by several of the 'mob' within a few minutes.

Safety in numbers would be another way of looking at it.

He just reiterated what George said few weeks ago.
Alstann story sounds almost exactly like someone else's few weeks ago I believe. He too is out the group buy if im not mistaken.
I'm happy for his "experience" but here we are almost more than a year later and nothing has changed. What's to like? Not taking anything away from you Alstann.

Back when George posted here :rofl2:

Exactly. This kit has made zero progress over the last 6 months. People were telling you it was FUBAR then. Nothing's changed.

Well you guys are going to love this. I just called gtm and told them who I was and the guy on the phone would not even tell me his name but instead try to find someone to help me. After a few minutes on hold the guy who answered the phone came back on and told me no one was there to help. Knowing he knew who I was and after explaining how my exhaust manifolds have cracked he told me he had to go because he could not spend anymore time on the phone. Again to any and all looking to purchase anything from company better be paying close attention to what things will be like after the transaction on done. I now have a TT kit in which I going to have to spend even more money to another company to hopefully fix.

There was another member who visited GTM as well, I can't remember his forum handle at the moment however. :D

Just to clarify, I still am in the group buy, fully paid. I have not asked GTM or anyone there for a refund yet. When I left the facility, I told Matt I would just keep in touch every couple weeks to see how the progress is. Like I said, I am still very much in the market for a TT kit, and my decisions are now based on availability and quality of a kit. And yes, I do agree my information does not get anyone any closer to their kit. It was more of just what my experience and opinions were.

If someone had to ask me if I've been naive throughout this whole process? I think I have been a bit. The logical side of me should have pulled out months ago. I think I enjoy holding onto my faith and hope. Sounds stupid, I know. But I've given myself enough room to do so, as well as financial protection. I still have those daydreams once in a while where my car is finally done, all turbo'd and such. I want GTM to succeed. I want all companies who want to develop parts for any car to succeed.

And no offense taken guys. :tiphat:

Time was over months ago, wheres the kit?


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I assume you were talking to Pablo, how you were treating like this? Pablo is the best out there right now after Mike left. This is not a good sign :(

So we've passed a year from the initial announcement. Six months past the original shipping time frame. How much is too much, especially considering the guy who gave them the test car just said "**** it, I'm going Fast Intentions"?