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Cell 12-13-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2607875)
in case you missed it from page 1, I would do everything on the list if you can

Cost to purchase that entire list?

COSMO 12-13-2013 10:12 AM

Just made a call, going with the L19's..
Thank you... ;)

Boosted Performance 12-13-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2607861)
So you think I may have issues with the ARP 202-4701's? When I checked on the tq specs it showed 85 ft...

Yes. I would not build an engine without L19's. Just too risky IMO. Seen too many guys with head lift issues due to using a variety of different studs. Never seen head lift with L19's, and they have pushed 1000whp+, 1224whp is the highest I have seen on the VQ35.

wstar 12-13-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2607822)
I am open to any other suggestions that may the longevity of my engine... :tiphat:

Hey as long as you're in there: upgrade the oil pump to the Nismo one that doesn't grenade at high RPMs, and you may as well put in a fresh water pump while doing that too, give you more miles before you have to open that front timing chain cover again.

zguynate 12-13-2013 12:03 PM

Ill probably use this thread as a template should I ever build my motor. Im sure it goes without saying, but be sure to check EVERYTHING 5 times right after you complete each process lol. Then check it again for good measure. I have read (That is the key word. I have no actual hands on experience with built motors) that too many built motors go bad within a very short amount of time due to the simplest things. Mostly spun rod bearings which has already been mentioned.

I know that information is probably redundant, I'd just hate to see this go south for you.

BlkNismo 12-13-2013 12:15 PM

which clutch are you going with?

Build looks real nice.

COSMO 12-13-2013 12:38 PM

I replaced the stock clutch with ZSpeed Stage III Endurance clutch with 19lb Flywheel...





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Originally Posted by BlkNismo (Post 2608106)
which clutch are you going with?

Build looks real nice.


fuct 12-13-2013 01:04 PM

does the 19lb flywheel chatter and sound like a tractor, cosmo?

Cell 12-13-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 2608154)
does the 19lb flywheel chatter and sound like a tractor, cosmo?

I have the 19lb. Chatters all day. But you will get used to it.

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BlkNismo 12-13-2013 01:39 PM

I went with the stage 2 endurance and DXD Black 24lb steel...hope its not too chattery.

Chuck33079 12-13-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BlkNismo (Post 2608199)
I went with the stage 2 endurance and DXD Black 24lb steel...hope its not too chattery.

If it's one piece, it'll be noisy as hell.

COSMO 12-13-2013 02:18 PM

I don't think my 19lb is loud at all, you can just barely hear it at idle. When I jad my 350z I went with the 12lb and it was very noisy....

BlkNismo 12-13-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2608204)
If it's one piece, it'll be noisy as hell.

24lbs steel flywheel, and yes, 1 piece. Hope its less chatter then the 19lb aluminum version.

Only time will tell when those darn tt kits ship out.

esfourteen 12-13-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2608252)
I don't think my 19lb is loud at all, you can just barely hear it at idle. When I jad my 350z I went with the 12lb and it was very noisy....

you must have a high tolerance :icon17: the 19lb is loud as ****, I removed mine. the 25lb "black" is what I have now, its relatively quiet, but still a bit chattery. cant really avoid some noise when switching to a single mass

fuct 12-13-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2608311)
you must have a high tolerance :icon17: the 19lb is loud as ****, I removed mine. the 25lb "black" is what I have now, its relatively quiet, but still a bit chattery. cant really avoid some noise when switching to a single mass

do you like the 24 better? would i feel a big dif going from the stok 30lb+ flywheel to the 24 lb?

Rid3_FaM0uS 12-13-2013 03:03 PM

I too have the aluminum flywheel and the car revs much more noticeable than stock but that chatter is very pronounced at idle. Even over my non res and no cat full 2.5" fast intentions exhaust. But I figured I'm already going to have cabin drone from the exhaust so what the hell; racecar!

esfourteen 12-13-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 2608318)
do you like the 24 better? would i feel a big dif going from the stok 30lb+ flywheel to the 24 lb?

its a noticeable difference, but more importantly is the fact that the stock dual mass flywheel cannot handle the torque when going FI, eventually it will break, like mine did.

GaleForce 12-13-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2608311)
you must have a high tolerance :icon17: the 19lb is loud as ****, I removed mine. the 25lb "black" is what I have now, its relatively quiet, but still a bit chattery. cant really avoid some noise when switching to a single mass

:iagree:

I have the 25lb mated up with the Stage 3 clutch. Chatter isn't too bad.

COSMO 12-14-2013 08:24 AM

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Got my new fuel pump in yesterday, Woohoo!!!!!:tup::tup:

SPOHN 12-14-2013 08:42 AM

Get new Fuel Injectors. ;)

COSMO 12-14-2013 09:04 AM

Thanks for the offer but I don't want to limit myself later if I bought these. Going to stick with the 1000cc injectors.
Thanks again esfourteen for the help....

Mr.Squeeze 12-14-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2606880)
Well I made a little more progress today along with purchasing a Aeromotive 11142 Fuel Pump....:tup:

Those dyno graphs look really nice.. I would switch kits if I could a decent amount for my gtm TT kit but I really doubt it...

Makings some good progress

COSMO 12-16-2013 12:59 PM

These are the fuel injectors I am going with thanks to Mr.Sqeeze..

1050cc FIC SP Nissan 350Z/370Z Fuel Injector Clinic Injector Set (High-Z)

COSMO 12-16-2013 01:11 PM

Hey Phunk how about an eta on that fuel return system you were telling me about??

COSMO 12-16-2013 02:32 PM

Just wanted to add I just called bobby and S&R Performance and he's just waiting on the custom pistons to arrive before starting the build. And just for the record he has taken the time to talk to me the few times I have called. I did have them go ahead with the L19 head studs and paid the difference with the ones they were going with... Keep your fingers crossed all goes well. ;)

phunk 12-16-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2611892)
Hey Phunk how about an eta on that fuel return system you were telling me about??

We should have it all available later this month! Stage 0 RFS kits have been out since the car came out. But our larger stages are being wrapped up now.

roplusbee 12-16-2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2612706)
We should have it all available later this month! Stage 0 RFS kits have been out since the car came out. But our larger stages are being wrapped up now.

That is the news that I wanted to hear!

COSMO 12-16-2013 10:07 PM

With the power level of just over 600whp I am shooting for, will the Stage 0 RFS kit work or will I need the next step up? Understand I don't want to have to question anything after this build... ;)

phunk 12-17-2013 02:20 AM

You will want the full stage 2 kit, which replaces everything except the pump sending unit. All the plumbing gets a substantial size increase to eliminate sources of restriction and pressure drop, so that you can max out the fuel pump with the only thing holding it back being the filter and sending unit assembly. This means new rails and everything.. really trick!

COSMO 12-18-2013 08:38 AM

Does anyone know the difference in the 2860rs vs the gtx upgrade? I am considering doing that as well since I have everything out...

esfourteen 12-18-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2614982)
Does anyone know the difference in the 2860rs vs the gtx upgrade? I am considering doing that as well since I have everything out...

the gtx2863r is very similar to the 2860 down low, the compressor graphs almost match until you get to around 18psi where the 2860 is running out of steam, the gtx has a much higher efficiency range and is capable of safely running 30+ psi which makes it good for about 350whp+ each. so while the 2860 is maxed out to about 600-650whp, the gtx version is capable of pushing over 700, assuming your setup can handle that much boost (compression ratio, fuel, timing etc).

COSMO 12-18-2013 02:04 PM

So even with our stage II turbo's it's still about 600-650whp maxed out? Do you know what those turbo's run and do you think my built motor could handle it? If it's only 50 more whp I don't see spending the money...

COSMO 12-18-2013 02:09 PM

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Managed to get a little work done on it today. I went ahead and took of the exhaust so I could get the drive shaft off. For now I am keeping it in the tranny so the fluid wont come out but I did also disconnect the shifter from the tranny.... :tup:

elliotty 12-18-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2615680)
So even with our stage II turbo's it's still about 600-650whp maxed out? Do you know what those turbo's run and do you think my built motor could handle it? If it's only 50 more whp I don't see spending the money...

You could go with the GTX2867R upgrades and be prepared for much more power than the Stage II GT2860RS. These turbos are rated at up to 490 HP each. They are a direct fit in the Stage II exhaust housings, so all you would need is the compressor and CHRA. I have seen the compressor/CHRA listed online from $1,200 - $1,300 a piece. I plan on going this route if/when I build my motor.

Good luck with the build! Looking forward to final results/lessons learned!

COSMO 12-18-2013 03:52 PM

Garrett GTX28R GTX2867R GTX2867 Billet Ball Bearing Turbo [816366-1 816366-5001S] - $1,249.99 : Real Street Performance Engine Parts, Pistons Rods Cams Valvetrain and More

BlkNismo 12-18-2013 05:48 PM

twins gt35r !!!!

elperuano 12-18-2013 06:49 PM

I wish there was space for a gt35r

Boosted Performance 12-18-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2615989)
I wish there was space for a gt35r

There is always space. If I had a car (customer) here wanting to set recods, I would have nop problems fitting two of these:

http://www.precisionturbo.net/Street...T6766-CEAŽ/480


It would not take all that much time and effor either, just have to think BP twin scroll kit X2.

BlkNismo 12-18-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2616005)
There is always space. If I had a car (customer) here wanting to set recods, I would have nop problems fitting two of these:

http://www.precisionturbo.net/Street...T6766-CEAŽ/480


It would not take all that much time and effor either, just have to think BP twin scroll kit X2.

BP twin scroll x2......sounds crazy tempting!

Mr.Squeeze 12-18-2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2615254)
the gtx2863r is very similar to the 2860 down low, the compressor graphs almost match until you get to around 18psi where the 2860 is running out of steam, the gtx has a much higher efficiency range and is capable of safely running 30+ psi which makes it good for about 350whp+ each. so while the 2860 is maxed out to about 600-650whp, the gtx version is capable of pushing over 700, assuming your setup can handle that much boost (compression ratio, fuel, timing etc).


The GTX2863r can't run 30 psi safely on our engines ,that's a pressure ratio of 3.0 and 49 pounds per min of air at 7500 rpms. That would be really pushing the turbos it's even a stretch for the GTX2867 r.









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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2615989)
I wish there was space for a gt35r


A GT35r turbo can fit with in our cars you would just have you use the compact T04E compact compressor housing for it to fit.


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