If your going to live in a magic world why not 1000whp?

Lol poor guy.
As for the kit. Wow 10k. This is the part I don't understand. For that amount you spent in total you could have gotten a far superior kit. I have the stage 2 with 3"dp 3"exhaust oil cooler n clutch. I'm around 12-13k. Way more power and room to grow. Just don't seem worth it to short yourself when we almost spent the same amount of money on our FI systems.

An inexpensive mod for more hp ($/hp) is a meth kit.

Well Chuck... you are trying to school me here, but with all due respect, I'm very aware of dynomometers, correction factors,etc,etc, obviously you don't know much about me, thanks for your input but I don't need it, you are still missing the fundamental points here, and you know what? I'm not going to tell you what it is, it's too long to type all that, and quite frankly you driving a Z, we are having fun with our cars, that's what it really counts,anything else will be unwelcome because your statement/s are not showing finesse a remarkable lack of respect for people that are extremely honest with the community,etc,etc..

Peruvian, seems that you have fun with anything that diminishing the CARB legal kit, lets laugh together, you are funny:bowrofl:

No need to do that Sir, there are many variables, but also many fundamental points, it's all good!:ughdance:

I'm having a ball here. It's just that you come off trying to sound super intelligent which is fine but its been proven over and over from countless experiences, from well respected members and vendors that the Stillen kit is inferior.

I'm not sure what ur trying to do but at this point I have to believe that u work for Stillen and u wanna keep collecting a check. If what has been said in this thread and the countless other threads about Stillen doesn't make sense to you then so be it. There's always that 1 guy that just can't be reached. Hell even OP himself admitted that he won't win the number game and just wants a ride with a little more power.

case closed!

also that carb legal kit is with THEIR tune. If u do custom tune CARB is out the window. And well...... Just ask anyone what they put down with their kit.

I like your approach, but you are also missing the point.
IDK if I'm super intelligent, but I did not compare or said on any of my post that the Stillen kit is superior to anything, all I did is offer info about DSPORT results with my car.
A bunch of you come over saying that is inferior compared to any other kits, but now let me ask you something, how you can compare a CARB legal kit with tons of restrictions to get the exemption with other kits including yours without any limitations because they are not made to comply with CARB?
Do you think that they( STILLEN) are not capable to put it together a kit non CARB oriented to compete with the other kits in the market?
You guys are mixing apples with oranges,so IDK if I'm very intelligent, but you may review yourself your way to compare different kits.
About if I work for Stillen, since you are an intelligent guy just click 1087 and then you will see what I do and where and how I make my check from, probably you can learn something too.
Sorry to respond your points, but you are moving towards the personal side base in your biased unfair comparisons between different kits, built with total different targets and hinting that I work for Stillen.
The CARB legal numbers are impressive for a street car, so there is case closed, the rest is forum BS.
How your Z is running? are you happy with it?

;)

You're saying we're missing the point?

All we're saying is that the power numbers you say you got (and that got printed in that worthless magazine) are bloated for press and you shouldn't be telling potential buyers that they can expect those kinds of numbers, because that's wrong. I know from personal experience with a guy on this forum that lives right down the street from me... he got in to it thinking he could get 500hp from that kit because the Stillen site says you can. He's custom tuned, had to replace the injectors with some real 600cc's and has a meth kit and can manage 415 WHP before it heat soaks. ~408 without the meth. (He's not tuned for lots of meth so it's mostly water to drop charge temp)

How can we be missing the point? Wrong is wrong is wrong.

And yeah all that ******** talk about being CARB legal? Your car isn't CARB legal if it isn't running the canned tune, period.

:tup:

For someone who claims to understand how things work, you sure seem to be missing the point. Your numbers are artificially inflated. Full stop. That's not lacking finesse or being disrespectful, that's just a fact. Your car did not make 293whp stock, nor did it make 460whp after all was said and done. Not with an unmodified kit. I'm sure it's fast. I'm sure it's a lot of fun. The whp increase is right in line with others with the kit, and it adds quite a bit of power. But you're taking the magazines' word on your car, and they have an incentive to be overly optimistic. I don't care if you think your car makes 1whp or 1000whp, I just don't want the OP to think that his Stillen kit is going to give him anywhere near 460whp without substantial modification, as has been proven by multiple members here. Also, he is in Israel, so CARB means nothing to him. Being CARB legal is only useful to people in CA. Also, isn't your kit no longer CARB legal with your custom tune?

Don't feel bad for me!
The supercharger kit was only $6,300. The 10K includes install,oil cooler,trans cooler and cat back exhaust. I don't need more power, the 7AT is rated for 300 tq and my car made 302 tq on the dyno. I've added around 40% to the HP and I'm good with that. I'm concerned that the engine will be able to handle what it has now when it gets out on the track so I have no desire to add to it. I couldn't care less about the numbers game, I wanted to give the car a little more in the straights and I definitely have done that.

Stillens canned tune is pig rich. And how the hell you make 460rwhp on that tune is beyond me. With a cat back exhaust , high flow cats and custom tune I made 436rwhp and did a back up dyno at another shop 431rwhp

There is more then a few of us on this forum that did the Stillen thing trust me no one is going to come to this forum and make anyone believe Stillen kits are great

Jwillis, how is the tranny holding up?

thanks :)
Bart

So far good but it only has 2,500 miles since boost.

Did you increase line pressure? I purchased from GTA the valve body upgrade. You feel no tranny slipping?

thanks :)
Bart

Everyone is saying that with a custom tune you are not "CARB" legal but who cares? The cop that pulls you over will not know that. You flash your E.O. CARB sticker and show him the Stillen printout and go about your way. If he decides to be an *** and gives you REF ticket anyways, then just re-flash with the Stillen tune and go get the ticket signed off. Even with a smaller pulley and larger injectors they won't know the difference. That's the ******** for living in CA.

This is where the Stillen kit has an advantage over the GTM kit. If you are in California, you don't have to worry and be paranoid about cops pulling you over and writing you a big fat ticket for illegal mods. If you have anything other than Stillen, if you get caught, you won't be able to wiggle your way out and would need to pay huge fines and have the kit uninstalled costing your thousands of dollars. You will not understand this unless you live in CA.

It comes down to how much risk you want to take. There is a reason why other people make FI kits. If one of them were the best then there would not be any competition but there is.

If there were no smog/CARB laws, I would probably not go with Stillen but look for the cheapest, most realiable setup in turbo form. Maybe the boosted performance single turbo? But they don't make it for AT? Probably GTM twin turbos. A turbo setup always almost seems to produce more bang for the buck from looking at the numbers game.

So what am I trying to say? I know some of you have been down the Stillen road and come with first hand experience but I'm not sure how many are from California. I am sure that people with the Stillen kit in California are satisfied that they have more power and don't have to worry about being caught. If you're getting the Stillen at a good price and factor in the limited growth potential and be realistic about your whp numbers you won't be disappointed. Just know what you're getting yourself into with the experiences from this forum.

I think the tuner adjusted it in UpRev but I didn't do the valve body. No slipping so far!So far it seems like the tires are breaking before the tranny and I'm hoping it stays that way. I booked rooms at Sebring at the end of March for a track weekend so we will see if it can take it or not.

Sweet

thanks :)
Bart

He reps for Dsport... No wonder.... NOW it all makes sense.

future if they really wanted to they could find out at the emissions place. There's ways around yes, but it will clearly void the carb. If u wanna riskit that's a different story but we're going with what's in black and white here.

Well, if the cop is a real jerk even after seeing a CARB sticker and Stillen brochure and sends me to emissions I would need to have the shop swap in the CARB items (CARB tune, CARB pulley, CARB injectors?). They don't tow your car, just make you correct whatever they think is wrong with it. The problem with the GTM or other non-CARB kits is that I don't even have the option of going around the system. If I get caught, I have to take the system out, with Stillen it gives me a fighting chance. CA sucks! Ugh

The other option is to buy a high HP domestic (new mustang GT/corvette) and never have to worry about being profiled as a typical import street racer.hahaha

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

Clearly you have no idea how a ref station works and what they can and can't legally do.

First thing is they can't pull apart your car for an inspection, that's illegal so they won't know what pulleys you are running, what impellers you are running, ect.
Secondly they have no way to check for a tune, all they do is run your car on the dyno and sniff the exhaust, if you have cats, you'll pass.

Please at least do research on what ref stations can and can't do before posting.

Oh and here is a question, if you get a ref ticket and you have illegal mods, why not pay the bail of $800?

Wouldn't that be cheaper over putting your car back to stock?

Shamrock, have you installed your kit yet?

Starting beginning of January

thanks :)
Bart

I never said they would take my car apart. I wasn't 100% sure if they could detect changes to the ECU that why I said "CARB injectors?". The pulley's they can technically measure and call Stillen (if they can get through haha). I've heard some can be anal and others not.

Test pipes would need to be changed (for emissions) and possible FI exhaust back to stock (for sound limits if over 95 db at a certain rpm)

$800 would be cheaper if I had a non-carb kit, but I have a carb kit already. If it happens more than once, it starts getting expensive. Depends on your luck and how you drive I guess.

honestly if you stay away from street races and dont drive like a jackass, you'll be fine, and there is no way to measure the pulley accurately without taking it off which would fall under taking apart your car, they also dont check for anything outside of what you were written up for(IE if you got a ticket for an illegal supercharger, they would only check for the supercharger and see if there is the carb EO on it)

i think you got smog testing confused with ref stations, ref stations are full of anal people who take their job way to seriously, smog shops can(and in most cases are) be lenient towards modifications
technically my eclipse doesnt pass the visual but since it passes out the tail pipe, the smog guy i go to passes me(as do most smog shops i have been to)

Crickets??

I just read all 15 pages........................Thats all I need to say.

If they were going to re-smog the kit you would need the original injectors that came with the kit and the carb legal pulley put back on along with the tune to pass (if something like that happened).

Mark I'm glad to see you here! Can you answer the question about the injector size? Are they 600cc injectors with your superchargers?

Glad to be here :) Good to see you here too Jason. The injectors are 600cc

were they always 600cc or did they use to be smaller

Thank you, were they 540cc at some point? Some people have said they needed larger ones but I remember seeing nothing over low 80% while we were tuning my car.

Why would you have to go back to your tune? I got mine in Mass, on a custom tune?

I do not believe so but I will check.

The Injectors have always been 600cc. Because of CARB Approval we would not have been able to use 540cc injectors then switch to 600cc. If you have a supercharger kit for the 370Z or G37 you have 600cc injectors.

Thanks for the info!