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2011 Nismo#91 12-03-2012 03:21 PM

My FI Build List
 
So I made a FI Build List for myself and though I'd share :ugh2:
I also see people say with supporting mods so this could help clear up what those are too.

GTM Stg 2 Turbo Pkg: The Works
Besides the normal things like fluids, gaskets, and tuning
Includes:
HKS Plugs Heat Range 8
600CC Injectors
Walbro 255lph In Tank Fuel Pump
34 Row Oil Cooler
OS Giken Twin Plate Clutch W/ Damper
Slave Cylinder Upgrade
3" Downpipes w/ TiAL waste gates recirc
3" Cat Back
BLITZ SBC i-D III Boost Controller
GTM-AFR/Boost/Oil Pressure Guages

Extras:
Steel Braided Brake Line
Steel Braided Clutch Line
*Fast Intention HFCats 300 Cell Metallic
NISMO Limited Slip Differential
*HF Cats could be in the package imo but it isn't listed.

Optional:
HKS CAMP2
HKS TURBO TIMER TYPE-1
CSF radiator
Oil catch can
Fuel surge tank

The package alone is 19k including installation. The Extras will put it at around 21-22k differentials are expensive.

SS_Firehawk 12-03-2012 03:51 PM

I HIGHLY recommend adding a radiator upgrade as well. GTM has one they sell, and of course CSF. Expensive list you have there. GTM is taking my car away in the morning in a transport truck. My Wife thought me retarded when I asked her to video tape it's departure. :)

elperuano 12-03-2012 04:45 PM

I have almost everything on ur list, except I'm about 5k under ur price. None of the extra or optional stuff. But overall that's a big list!

2011 Nismo#91 12-03-2012 04:46 PM

Firehawk:
CSF? Can't think of what that is.
I would go for the radiator if I saw/heard people having engine temp issues. And I don't expect to be putting the engine under high loads for enough time that the coolant would get heat soaked.
I don't think your crazy, it will be awhile till you see it again.

elperuano:
I rounded up on a few things and the kit alone installed is 19k. I don't have the means or skill to do it myself.

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Forgot 2 things on the optional:
Oil catch can
Fuel surge tank

esfourteen 12-03-2012 04:52 PM

if you want traction and useable gearing your final drive choice is going in the wrong direction, you want a taller gear not shorter. if you're going to change it get an auto 3.3 or a 350z 3.5

I'd recommend the CSF radiator as well.

SPOHN 12-03-2012 05:14 PM

I'd go with a OS Giken LSD instead and as stated above different final gear.

2011 Nismo#91 12-03-2012 05:15 PM

Two for the radiator upgrade, I guess I should consider it.
Removed the final drive yeah was silly now that I think of it.

Only reason I chose that LSD it is an actual nismo part. Or else I'd go was a torsen one over a clutch type, they sound like something broken. I don't believe the torsen type makes that noise.

SPOHN 12-03-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 2044463)
Two for the radiator upgrade, I guess I should consider it.

CSF a must. GTM makes a bigger one though.

elperuano 12-03-2012 05:34 PM

I gotta look into the csf, I don't have one and I haven't had any problems yet. The catch can I'm looking into cuz sometimes I get blow by oil smokin out the back. Wish someone made em for the g37 but seems it'll have to be a custom set up as well

leighspped 12-03-2012 05:43 PM

my plan is plx in the default gauge location

esfourteen 12-03-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 2044463)
Two for the radiator upgrade, I guess I should consider it.
Removed the final drive yeah was silly now that I think of it.

Only reason I chose that LSD it is an actual nismo part. Or else I'd go was a torsen one over a clutch type, they sound like something broken. I don't believe the torsen type makes that noise.

a quaife will serve you will, its a helical type LSD (same style as Torsen, uses gears)

ENT-Z 12-03-2012 10:03 PM

Turbo timer your listed won't work with push button start cars to my knowledge. If you really want one there is a company that makes them for the GTR and should fit our cars as well. My plan is just to leave the car running a few minutes before shut down if I had recently been in boost

king12sky 12-03-2012 10:05 PM

CSF and OS Geiken for LSD.. honestly you cant go wrong with OS Geiken, they are quieter and PROVEN!

Mr.Squeeze 12-04-2012 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 2044314)
So I made a FI Build List for myself and though I'd share :ugh2:
I also see people say with supporting mods so this could help clear up what those are too.

GTM Stg 2 Turbo Pkg: The Works
Besides the normal things like fluids, gaskets, and tuning
Includes:
HKS Plugs Heat Range 8
600CC Injectors
Walbro 255lph In Tank Fuel Pump
34 Row Oil Cooler
OS Giken Twin Plate Clutch W/ Damper
Slave Cylinder Upgrade
3" Downpipes w/ TiAL waste gates recirc
3" Cat Back
BLITZ SBC i-D III Boost Controller
GTM-AFR/Boost/Oil Pressure Guages

Extras:
Steel Braided Brake Line
Steel Braided Clutch Line
*Fast Intention HFCats 300 Cell Metallic
NISMO Limited Slip Differential
*HF Cats could be in the package imo but it isn't listed.

Optional:
HKS CAMP2
HKS TURBO TIMER TYPE-1
CSF radiator
Oil catch can
Fuel surge tank

The package alone is 19k including installation. The Extras will put it at around 21-22k differentials are expensive.

Take the Fast Intentions cats off your list you wont need them with the 3 inch down pipes, down pipes replace your cats.

NitrousZ34 12-04-2012 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENT-Z (Post 2044821)
Turbo timer your listed won't work with push button start cars to my knowledge. If you really want one there is a company that makes them for the GTR and should fit our cars as well. My plan is just to leave the car running a few minutes before shut down if I had recently been in boost

Are you positive it won't work? I have an extra Apex'i one that i wanted to put on my Z when i get it. If anyone could PM me with the answer to this I would appreciate it. Sorry to thread jack OP. Nice list. Some of the parts you mentioned is not needed and it will lower the cost greatly. Should be a very fun setup :tup:

Chuck33079 12-04-2012 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NitrousZ34 (Post 2045016)
Are you positive it won't work? I have an extra Apex'i one that i wanted to put on my Z when i get it. :tup:

I'm not positive it won't work, but I'm almost positive it's unnecessary. GTM uses oil and water cooled turbos. Since the turbos are mounted so low, the hot coolant should continue to rise after shutdown and draw colder coolant through the turbo. If you're running good oil and changing it often, you most likely won't see oil coking in the lines and turbo. But, if you've already got the turbo timer, it won't hurt anything to put it on.

BlkNismo 12-04-2012 01:15 PM

OP, are you planning on using an oil pan spacer or greddy oil pan?

Also, is there currently anyone running either gtm or cfx radiator with an aftermarket gauge? Any noticable temp reduction?

How about fuel return?
I know GTM and AAM offer kits.

theDreamer 12-04-2012 01:21 PM

I had one of the first CSF rads and monitored temps, I believe I saw about a 10 degree drop under heavy street use. I would easily on a daily basis break past 210 and now I am just under or over 200 depending on the weather & driving.
I will hit 210+ if I am sitting for a long time or in horrible traffic but the past year I have avoided it mostly with some changes in my routes I go home.

Actually it is better than that: http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...r-reviews.html
I use to hit 220-240 and now I see 200-205. :tup:

NitrousZ34 12-05-2012 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2045031)
I'm not positive it won't work, but I'm almost positive it's unnecessary. GTM uses oil and water cooled turbos. Since the turbos are mounted so low, the hot coolant should continue to rise after shutdown and draw colder coolant through the turbo. If you're running good oil and changing it often, you most likely won't see oil coking in the lines and turbo. But, if you've already got the turbo timer, it won't hurt anything to put it on.

Ok sorry I failed to mention I wasn't talking about the OP's wanted setup. I had one on my 350 even though it was N/A but i was planning to install a turbonetics single turbo later on down the road. Now that i have an extra turbo timer, I wanted to throw it on the 370 even though it would be N/A. I know its not needed but its always good to let a vehicle cool down after a nice track day or something, or when its hot out. Thats just my personal preference.

leighspped 12-05-2012 04:34 AM

so have you taken it to the track? if so how hot did that get?.... people keep telling me if i want FI and to track i will need low boost supercharger set up but id much rather be above 450+wtq which i haven't seen superchargers reach without a lotta meth and good conditions

so i have have to bump up to the GTM 70mm rad kit...... but then id have to worry about over cooling and getting up to operating temps... oh and i turbo the plan will most likely be a second smaller oil cooler

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2045461)
I had one of the first CSF rads and monitored temps, I believe I saw about a 10 degree drop under heavy street use. I would easily on a daily basis break past 210 and now I am just under or over 200 depending on the weather & driving.
I will hit 210+ if I am sitting for a long time or in horrible traffic but the past year I have avoided it mostly with some changes in my routes I go home.

Actually it is better than that: http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...r-reviews.html
I use to hit 220-240 and now I see 200-205. :tup:


SS_Firehawk 12-05-2012 04:50 AM

GTM has my car for the Twin SC kit. It will be running with PPE LTH's and M370. I mention it because I see you have F.I's LTH's Not sure if it will help TQ with the SC's like it did NA. If anything, just get larger injectors, pump and run a map for E85. It will definitely allow you to run much more aggressive timing and bump up the power. E85 runs cooler to boot. For the track, I would imagine a SC would be easier to run considering it's linear power development. A turbo application would need to hit low in the rpm range to prevent the Jekyll and Hyde behavior of being on and off boost.

leighspped 12-05-2012 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2046258)
GTM has my car for the Twin SC kit. It will be running with PPE LTH's and M370. I mention it because I see you have F.I's LTH's Not sure if it will help TQ with the SC's like it did NA. If anything, just get larger injectors, pump and run a map for E85. It will definitely allow you to run much more aggressive timing and bump up the power. E85 runs cooler to boot. For the track, I would imagine a SC would be easier to run considering it's linear power development. A turbo application would need to hit low in the rpm range to prevent the Jekyll and Hyde behavior of being on and off boost.

yes that would be a great way to go if i could get e85........


my understanding is to keep boost in real control you use EBCS with both and internal and external waste-gate, please do let me know if im wrong.

what made you go twin SC?

SS_Firehawk 12-05-2012 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leighspped (Post 2046263)
yes that would be a great way to go if i could get e85........


my understanding is to keep boost in real control you use EBCS with both and internal and external waste-gate, please do let me know if im wrong.

what made you go twin SC?

I really wanted to keep my my entire exhaust intact haha. I think I blew almost $3k on it. Well that's only part of the reason.

I was going to go with BP's kit because it's something I might be able to tackle, the price was good and it looked like a quality system. It would force me to put the stock headers back on, and remove my Y pipe W/HFC. Definitely not deal breakers, but a major inconvenience.

My first original choice was GTM's twin SC kit, even with it being more expensive. It was less intrusive on what I already invested. It was much more expensive, but I still had a lot of room to grow with it. Then it fell out of contention when I didn't receive any replies for 10 weeks.

Then got an email from GTM saying they want to put it in my car and offered me an unbelievable deal. I couldn't pass it up. So as of yesterday, my car is now at their shop till I get home next August. They have plenty of time to make it perfect. I have a lot of the details in my Journal (link in my sig). It may help you out :)

theDreamer 12-05-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leighspped (Post 2046254)
so have you taken it to the track? if so how hot did that get?.... people keep telling me if i want FI and to track i will need low boost supercharger set up but id much rather be above 450+wtq which i haven't seen superchargers reach without a lotta meth and good conditions

so i have have to bump up to the GTM 70mm rad kit...... but then id have to worry about over cooling and getting up to operating temps... oh and i turbo the plan will most likely be a second smaller oil cooler

I have not had a chance to track with CSF+SC, school is my life along with working full time.
Plus even with the CSF radiator I can bet with FI I will need something "extra" which I am looking into. My plans are venting the front fender liners to allow air to flow through so no hot air stays stagnant, maybe bumping up my oil cooler size (currently at a 25 row), adding the greddy oil pan and from that seeing how well I do.

Another idea someone sent me was taking the Stillen brake duct kit and instead of point it at the brakes using it to bump air directly onto the oil cooler or something.

JDMFairlady21 12-05-2012 10:57 AM

we didn't get a chance to TT our track car last year and/ or the previous year... but I can assure you that a 20min session with a full bolt on n/a Z, oil temps were getting ridiculous, even with a 34 row cooler already. but oddly enough, didn't see water temp go too crazy.

the car eventually ended up with twin 34 row oil coolers, and an upgraded CSF radiator.

the above would be necessary to REALLY track a TT 370z for sure.


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