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roplusbee 01-21-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Z (Post 1501688)
This topic can be discussed for ever, but in the end the ST kit still holds the top two spots:

1. InjectedPerf------04 Glide Enth 100 shot( IP 4.0L ) IP ST _8.801@159.19mph 1.485 60ft Dr's
2. Hal@IP -(daily)---05 6spd -Tour ------------(Built) IP ST _9.349@145.00mph 1.500 60ft Dr's
3. SoundPerformance -04 6spd -Enth ----------- (Built) SP TT _9.355@158.52mph 1.466 60ft ET Drag
4. need4boostz-------05 6spd -Enth ------(Built) 850s JWT TT 10.301@145.83mph 1.808 60ft Slicks
5. Bldrz ------------04 TH350 Base 50 shot (Built) Greddy TT 10.375@132.41mph 1.567 60ft Slicks
6. AudibleMayhem ----03 TH400 Tour 100 shot(Built) Greddy TT 10.404@134.00mph 1.729 60ft Slicks
7. neverenough ------08 6spd -Base ---------- (Built) GTM TT 10.673@135.70mph 1.677 60ft DR's
8. MRCMortorsports --03 6spd -Tour -----------(Built) APS TT 10.740@130.67mph 1.649 60ft Slicks
9. SnyperZ ----------04 6spd -Perf -LS2 w/Cam-Custom 88mm ST 10.840@138.62mph 1.852 60ft DR's
10. BriGuymax -------03 6spd -Tour -----------(Built) APS TT 10.967@126.84mph 1.587 60ft DR's

Man, the JWT kit is a beast. Traction must be a real problem based on the 60'. Could have been a variety of things though.......

blackonorange 01-21-2012 11:17 AM

Yea this chart is irrelevant

Kingbaby 01-21-2012 06:33 PM

You guys never cease to amaze me...:icon17:

FL 4Motion 01-21-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 1502556)
You guys never cease to amaze me...:icon17:

what part, our vast automotive knowledge or our striking good looks???

Boosted Performance 01-21-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1502047)
Yea this chart is irrelevant

How so? The thread states (to sum it up) that the TT kits are superior to a ST kit on a VQ, yet the top two of the best, verified drag strip slips on the VQ are using ST kits.

b1adesofcha0s 01-21-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1502568)
what part, our vast automotive knowledge or our striking good looks???

Perhaps both? :cool:

roplusbee 01-21-2012 08:34 PM

The chart does have 2 STS kits on top. The JWT car could have done better with a lower 60' time and better launch. But the numbers tell the story here.

Red__Zed 01-21-2012 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Z (Post 1502590)
How so? The thread states (to sum it up) that the TT kits are superior to a ST kit on a VQ, yet the top two of the best, verified drag strip slips on the VQ are using ST kits.

To be fair, the thread is mostly about street use.

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1502568)
what part, our vast automotive knowledge or our striking good looks???

:icon18:

tower74 01-21-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 1502721)
The chart does have 2 STS kits on top. The JWT car could have done better with a lower 60' time and better launch. But the numbers tell the story here.

Are those STS or just unknown Single Turbos?

blackonorange 01-21-2012 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Z (Post 1502590)
How so? The thread states (to sum it up) that the TT kits are superior to a ST kit on a VQ, yet the top two of the best, verified drag strip slips on the VQ are using ST kits.

One of them is an ls2 ........ Fail

Vince@R/T 01-21-2012 10:33 PM

This thread is cracks me up...everything stated is pretty common knowledge if you are in the industry. Twin turbos spool faster and seem like a better choice for street use....Singles are more efficent and have a higher ceiling for growth then smaller twins....no ****.

I think the issue is the definition of street use. What if a guy wants a bigger single for a lil delayed TQ and wants it up higher in the RPM range and more room for growth without having to practically drop the motor out to switch up turbos. Maybe the guy for steet use doesnt want instant TQ and boost blowing off the tires everytime he is half throttle...

So the other guys wants twins and quicker spool so he feels it in the chest and the car feels faster. Maybe he thinks twins on his 370z is the same as buying a GTR....who knows?


This is America, if a company makes a good product it will sell(whether it has 1 or 2 turbos). If it isnt a good product...It wont. Obviously both have there pros and cons. At the end of the day I bet it has more to do with the companies customer service, how quality of a product they sell is, and how well they stand behind their product then it does with a couple 100 rpms of spool...

tower74 01-21-2012 11:16 PM

It's nothing more than a sells pitch for who has the best turbo for the price. At the same time number don't lie and I think I'll stick with my single rear mounted turbo....until they finish the twin version.

Boosted Performance 01-21-2012 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 1502721)
The chart does have 2 STS kits on top. The JWT car could have done better with a lower 60' time and better launch. But the numbers tell the story here.

ST= Single turbo (location not specified, but I know #2 on the list is a top mount GT42R)

STS= Squires Turbo Systems (a company, making rear mount turbo kits)

So I don't know how you got STS out of that.


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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1502757)
One of them is an ls2 ........ Fail

If that is all you got from the list then...:ugh2:.

tower74 01-22-2012 12:03 AM

[QUOTE=Boosted Z;1502903]ST= Single turbo (location not specified, but I know #2 on the list is a top mount GT42R)

STS= Squires Turbo Systems (a company, making rear mount turbo kits)

So I don't know how you got STS out of that.

Yeah understand and know what STS is and stands for....have one.:rolleyes:
I was just curious about the same thing.

elperuano 01-22-2012 10:00 AM

The chart is also from the vq35 motors n not the 37. 2 different motors. On my 35 I had a single turbo build, gt35r powerlab which kicked arse everywhere I went n never gave my any problems. I love single turbo's n the way they kick in n the torque. But the vq37 motor is not the same as the 35 so it's safe to say that until more r&d is done to make sure single turbo kits r a reliable option I think TT is the way to go on these motors. But I also disagree with this thread to begin with in the first place.
It should have CLEARLY been titled "GTM TT kits is the best n single turbo sucks arse so buy our kits".
Now if GTM offered single turbo kits that would be a different story but since u guys only have TT kits kinda makes u guys a little biased eh? Just sayin, nuttin personal.

Boosted Performance 01-22-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 1503141)
The chart is also from the vq35 motors n not the 37. 2 different motors. On my 35 I had a single turbo build, gt35r powerlab which kicked arse everywhere I went n never gave my any problems. I love single turbo's n the way they kick in n the torque. But the vq37 motor is not the same as the 35 so it's safe to say that until more r&d is done to make sure single turbo kits r a reliable option I think TT is the way to go on these motors. But I also disagree with this thread to begin with in the first place.
It should have CLEARLY been titled "GTM TT kits is the best n single turbo sucks arse so buy our kits".
Now if GTM offered single turbo kits that would be a different story but since u guys only have TT kits kinda makes u guys a little biased eh? Just sayin, nuttin personal.

I agree, especially with the second part.

The list is from the VQ35 equiped cars, but the original poster says that this "theory" applies to all V6's because of the exhaust pulses. That is why I thought the list is relevant.

tower74 01-22-2012 11:35 AM

:iagree: I will probably not be using mine for the track. This is my DD for me and the fact that I won't be going through tires as often is always a plus. I have seen up to 38mpg,drove for 2 1/2 hrs and averaged 35mpg, when cruizing at 80mph on my single.

blackonorange 01-22-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 1503141)
The chart is also from the vq35 motors n not the 37. 2 different motors. On my 35 I had a single turbo build, gt35r powerlab which kicked arse everywhere I went n never gave my any problems. I love single turbo's n the way they kick in n the torque. But the vq37 motor is not the same as the 35 so it's safe to say that until more r&d is done to make sure single turbo kits r a reliable option I think TT is the way to go on these motors. But I also disagree with this thread to begin with in the first place.
It should have CLEARLY been titled "GTM TT kits is the best n single turbo sucks arse so buy our kits".
Now if GTM offered single turbo kits that would be a different story but since u guys only have TT kits kinda makes u guys a little biased eh? Just sayin, nuttin personal.

The thread does have done good info about heat and enthalpy but I def agree

Ron 01-22-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tower74 (Post 1503235)
:iagree: I will probably not be using mine for the track. This is my DD for me and the fact that I won't be going through tires as often is always a plus. I have seen up to 38mpg,drove for 2 1/2 hrs and averaged 35mpg, when cruizing at 80mph on my single.

U do know that if you change injectors the mpg readings from the stock trip computer become useless. Right?

tower74 01-22-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1503269)
U do know that if you change injectors the mpg readings from the stock trip computer become useless. Right?

So when they remap the car that isn't part of it. If not I know now.

SharpByCoop 01-22-2012 04:16 PM

Infomercial or not, I learned a great deal in here. Props. To all.

Coop

Nixlimited 01-22-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tower74 (Post 1503355)
So when they remap the car that isn't part of it. If not I know now.

No they don't. Can't have our cake and eat it too unfortunately.

tower74 01-22-2012 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 1504006)
No they don't. Can't have our cake and eat it too unfortunately.

But I like cake :yum:...

SS_Firehawk 10-09-2012 06:37 AM

Did somebody say cake?

HOODEY 08-26-2013 02:29 PM

This is moving pretty well for a single turbo.

Top mount single turbo Z34 Nissan 370Z - YouTube

HOODEY 08-31-2013 10:51 AM

Twin turbo guys post your boost verse RPM.

Ron 08-31-2013 11:30 AM

Here's a verse:

Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
Why are you yelling?
We don't get you.

:ugh2:

litt1213 08-14-2014 07:40 AM

This is by far 1 of the best breakdowns on single and twin turbo pros vs cons. I also learned a few things about heat transfer and placement of turbos. Thanks for taking the time out to do this very good read.

Cell 08-14-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by litt1213 (Post 2930409)
This is by far 1 of the best breakdowns on single and twin turbo pros vs cons. I also learned a few things about heat transfer and placement of turbos. Thanks for taking the time out to do this very good read.

Read this a second time and realize that the BP kit doesn't have such a huge boost threshold as mentioned here.

jwick 08-14-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 2930782)
Read this a second time and realize that the BP kit doesn't have such a huge boost threshold as mentioned here.

Nope. The boost threshold of a twin-scroll is really close to that of a TT setup. I make positive pressure below 2,500rpms. Turbo lag is almost non-existent too with my ball bearing setup.

katjmmx 08-14-2014 02:59 PM

This is an amazing write up thank you so much!

Cell 08-14-2014 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 2931020)
Nope. The boost threshold of a twin-scroll is really close to that of a TT setup. I make positive pressure below 2,500rpms. Turbo lag is almost non-existent too with my ball bearing setup.

Post is very informative but unfortunately is geared more towards favoring twin turbos. Single turbo is great too if designed correctly.

MMC Racing 08-14-2014 07:49 PM

There is one definitive fact - The single turbo kit that is shipping is always superior to the twin turbo kit that isn't.

Cell 08-14-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 2931275)
There is one definitive fact - The single turbo kit that is shipping is always superior to the twin turbo kit that isn't.

:icon18: You are going to get this locked. lol

jwick 08-14-2014 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 2931272)
Post is very informative but unfortunately is geared more towards favoring twin turbos. Single turbo is great too if designed correctly.

Agreed. My BP kit dominates the GTM kits I've seen on my tuners dyno.

One thing that is always left out of the discussion is that a single turbo will always make more low end torque and that's where it really matters. But I don't have to tell you that, we bought the same kit. :tup:

mag_black 08-14-2014 09:04 PM

Can't wait for the BP kits to be built. I've read and researched up and down this forum and there's nothing bad that can be said about it.


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