^^ This?

Come back when if you ever do...

100k is pushing it. Maybe you'll beat some outdated cars on that build, but nothing bleeding edge.

Outdated supercars are not considered supercars anymore? Ah, well my apologies, I wasn't aware.
And BTW Econ, ROFL

Brb beating nsx's in my lightly modded z and bragging about "beating supercars"

Laugh all you want, you made that argument, not me. "Which supercar will you beat with 100k in your Z?" Like I said, Supercars is just a classification, doesn't mean they're untouchable.

Quick question, Red: With 300k in a Z, do you think there is a production supercar in the last 3 years that could be beaten?

Sure, provided the money is spent right. And of course, depending on what you consider is a supercar.

I'm back. I hired a renderer to do a sketch of my 98 Maxima. It's gonna have six turbos and reverse osmosis supercharger. It's got a big wing and everything. They don't call it a 4-door sports car for nothing.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1309899914

I made no such claim. I asked a question. They are different.

Perhaps you could have answered that question with "old, outdated ones." I would generally agree with that. You could potentially even say borderline supercars... I would agree with that as well. But fact is, you'd probably be hard pressed to even beat stuff like the gtr.

Blatant ripoff of al's f1 car:ugh2:

Do you have any idea of how much R & D went into that drawing. You have insulted me dearly sir. I say good day!!!

I know al invested over 1 million Canadian (approx $1.05 US (yes, aware this no longer is true (yes, uber nesting parenthesis))) in his design:stirthepot:
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Red, failblog.com?

Fixed :tiphat:

Really? "Borderline Supercars"? I wasn't aware that there were sub-categories withing "supercars". So it goes like "borderline supercar" "almost supercar" "could be supercar on some days" "mediocre supercar" "decent supercar" "bugatti veyron"? I guess that's pretty much how it breaks down?
So you can't agree to say that 300k into a Z could beat supercars around a track, but you CAN agree that 300k into a Z could beat "borderline Supercars" around a track, correct?
And you firmly that 300k investment into a Z couldn't beat a Gtr?

Give me $300k and I'll convince the supercar driver to let a stock Z win :icon17:

According to Top Gear there is also a hypercar category.

Your reading comprehension is awful bro.

Lol. Your logic is awful, "bro".

100k = pushing it to beat barrel-scraping supercars
300k= enough to beat most "average" supercars

^^ thanks. What I've been trying to say all along.

http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feed...perman_car.jpg

Be all jealous, bitches!

Sure, if the barrel scraping cars from yesterday are "a bunch"

Bro's?

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/atta...-japan-bro.jpg

Geez, you're really starting to get annoying. You couldn't just leave it at that? You just said that 300k = beating most average supercars.

Since this whole argument is hypothetical, 100k was a ballpark estimate. I didn't sit down and take the time to calculate exactly how much it would cost, because it doesn't matter, I don't have 100k to spend on a car at this point.

The point of the matter is, you can spend an amount of money (regardless what that amount is) and compete with or beat a good amount of supercars with the Z, as you just said.

Now please leave it alone, this is getting pointless and frustrating. You're agreeing with my argument, but then picking a few words out of an earlier post and mocking it. No matter how you cut and slice it, the fact remains: you CAN make the Z beat supercars, if money is no object. Maybe not all of them, but you can still beat supercars. That's what I've been saying from the beginning, and that still holds true.

Yes. That is also what I said that you disagreed with.:facepalm:


You claimed 100k would be enough to beat "a bunch" of supercars, which isn't even what this thread is about....

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I've read all along this thread and I didn't feel like making a comment until I saw this.. :icon18::icon18::icon18:

I WANT! :bowrofl:

....so is a turbo z a supercar or not?

It's apparently an ubercar, sharing the rarified upper stratos with the mythical Bugatti. If you have enough money

You guys just keep arguing the same point :icon17:

First of all, the definition of supercar is subjective in the first place and different to each person. Then classifying what car is or is not a supercar adds another level of personal opinion into it. In the end though, they're all just opinions so they don't matter :p

Obviously you can dump a ton of money into any car and have it beat a "supercar" at certain things (drag strip, road course, etc). I think what Red was trying to say before is that "supercars" which are built as supercars have gone through the R&D to make them not just good in one aspect, but all aspects including looks, exclusivity, drivability, comfort, quality, reliability, etc. IMO those things are part of what makes a supercar a supercar. Like someone else said, you can put 1000 hp onto a civic, but I would never call it a supercar because it's still a civic. I would consider a Z with SC/TT a high performance sports car, but not a supercar.

+1, completely agree. I don't think a Z will ever be a supercar, my argument was that you could make it outperform some cars that are considered supercars.

People have different opinions sometimes.

Or just argue with each other over the same opinion :rolleyes:

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Thank you for answering the question. A TT/SC Z would be considered in the same league (performance wise) as Turbo 911's, Gtr's, Ferrari's etc. I'm sure we would all like to own those vehicles, but if I can have the same performance minus the $9k brake job, I'll take the Z every time

Actually I think you would need more things other than just the TT/SC kit to have the same overall performance. It may be in the same leage power wise or in a straight line race, but definitely not in handling or on a road course. For me, if I could afford a supercar I would definitely take one over a Z. In fact, I'm only keeping the Z until I can afford one :icon17:

Yeah. Once the z is on the true performance level, you're looking at similar expensive service items.

Most of what makes a Supercar is Status. Some perform better than others. I have no idea how many different supercars there are out there, but the ones that I do know of are hand built (to an exent)...........

And if I have to have carbon-ceramic brakes and paddle shifters to have a supercar, you can keep it. There are only 4 supercars that I would consider. Viper ACR, F430 Challenge (maybe the 458 Italia), Corvette ZR1, and Aston Martin DBS in that order.