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Thanks for sharing OP...
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The "tough skin" posts are absolutely hilarious. (protip: the itg attitude died in a ditch years ago, you aren't funny nor are you edgy.) People rave about shops when they do solid work and post long reviews and nutswingin' articles praising them, yet when someone complains about a shop like this everyone whines. I was recently talking to a shop around here that ends up fixing/finding a lot of poor STi/Evo builds from other "highly praised" shops. In reality those shops have **** for work, but because everyone sees a certain name and rejoices it is impossible to say anything negative about them -- even when you have damning evidence. Of course, that is mainly NASIOC/evo-m but I think we can draw some similarities here. The reality is that if you don't post up the bad experiences then shops will just continue to screw the customer (that's us) over. A failed install on an expensive machine is just inexcusable. It isn't like this is a poorly constructed post, either. It is worded fairly well plus it has plenty of pictures documenting what the dude is saying. While I can't say for sure who is in the right or wrong here, I will agree that Forged/GTM seem like a minefield until everything clears. OP,Forged,GTM: GL, hope everything gets sorted out. |
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Please keep this thread open. It's very informative. Thanks.
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Whats sad is that these guys who are ragging on him would be posting this kind of thread if they bought $160.00 HID and the vendor took a mnth to ship . Its all excellent info with pics to back it up that everyone should see. . Why are so many people slamming OP and defending FP ? Even with these pics. Oh let me guess?????? You bought some wheels and stickers from them....
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OP,thanks for posting.
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Whats beyond me is how the - obvious - Stillen fan boys try to drag GTM into this when there are just some very clear points...
1. GTM seems to have resolved alot/all of the failed issues that came from FP 2. FP has now admitted that both cars apparently came from shady work by performed by shady employee's that no longer work for the company. The fact remains...this work was done at FP and how the hammering and clanking and ****** up **** that was done went seemingly unnoticed by anyone is mind boggeling. Thats the part that pisses me off more than anything else. There is no way people didn't notice these guys half-*** installing this?? Why did no one stop them? Why did it have to get to this? Why did it have to get to the point where taking it to another shop caught the attention of the original shop? I just find it funny that some of you can dismiss this so easily. This isn't an oil change gone wrong. If it was any of you spending 9k you would be going crazy too. Also, this isn't a Stillen vs GTM thread and yet it reeks of it when reading between the lines. I have seen quiet a few G37s turbo'd along with HP Logic and Z1's successful 370Z TTs. The most important thing is that those cars are still running as strong as the day they left the shop. Some shops simply take greater pride in making the kit even better than ever. For example, you can take my best friends RS4 that he supercharged. The shop that did the work went above and beyond to replace all the little things (standard stuff) like clips, and hoses etc etc with the highest quality versions, JUST BECAUSE. Showing me a down pipe that doesn't align 100% doesn't make up for the complete disaster of more than one install. I'm sure FP will grow stronger from this and I certainly dont dislike them as they have been an important part of this forums growth, I'm just more surprised by some of the bashing and the misdirection of some to somehow bring GTM into this as if they somehow forced a shop to bang hammers at parts, LOL. |
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GTM did not do this FP did. Out of all the GTM installs, FG's installs are the only bad ones, and not just bad they are flea market style installs. I would murder a mother f-er if they did this to my car and thats a fact. I would love to see what Dave has to say about this. Does any one know how to get in touch with him? |
who is next?
Stillen and Greddy? LOL honestly, wtf is going on with these installers/tuners/manufacturers? AAM just got restructured, Forged Performance and GTM involved in such a mess...... i honestly think the damage has been done........ Forged to OP and OP to Forged....... only time will tell how much or the extent of the damage........ but it is just shame...... to OP, sorry to hear your story...... hope everything gets resolved in timely and professional manner.... to Forged, i do not think there is any valid excuse............. even if it is just one employee who has caused all this mess.......after all, the employee did represent your company and your company as an entity is responsible..... I guess from now on there will be quality control on personnels........ point being, people can definitely make mistakes............ but i do not see any reasonable excuse for screwing up $20K plus job so EXTENSIVELY......... IMO, people could still buy parts from Forged, but it will definitely have a long-lasting impact on getting installations.......... at least from G37 and 370Z owners..... honestly, after hearing such a story, would any one of you WILLINGLY take your car and spend 7+ months and $20K+? it takes immense effort to EARN trust, but only one single slip to lose it...... i sincerely hope this mess gets settled SOON for the sake of Forged and OP........ also, as some of us realized, it might be better to stay NA......... after all, it will be problem free............ |
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But honestly i dont know who to believe anymore, FP saying that the gtm dont fit and they try their best to make it fit.. but gtm customers never comment of fitting issue.. and some of them do DIY to save money.. But what ever FP said.. pictures can speak for them self.. fullstop end of the story.. now this make me wanna go to Stillen SC after seeing these fitting issue.. seriously I dont know who to believe |
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I have not seen or heard of fitment issues outside of Forged Performance...
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What bugs me the most about some of these replies is.....many are just focusing on the bashed in parts......and saying where is the quality control? Maybe this is because the pictures stand out and they mainly show the damaged parts and such.
There is SO MUCH MORE to the story....I know it is long, but I'm beginning to wonder if some of these posters are just glossing over the pictures instead of reading it. What about all the issues I brought up before ever picking up my car? What about the issues I brought up while I was there? On the drive home? Bad mechanic(s) or not, why was I constantly told "That is normal"? Those words certainly didn't come from the mechanics. What about the wrong turbos or not even hooking up the Knock Amp? What about not fully hooking up the EVC? What about the overcharging on the Down Pipes and Wastegates? I could keep going and going...... All I ask is that before bashing others, whether it is myself or GTM, please make sure you take the time to read the whole story. |
I just wanted to say "THANK YOU" to everyone out there that has sent me positive replies and PMs. I simply don't have the time to reply to everyone of them individually....not to mention this is on two other forums as well. This has been a crazy long road, and at times has consumed me.....ask my wife or my boss :) Hopefully the end is in sight and I will finally have a TT G37 before my brand new car is 2 or 3 model years old :)
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I have not heard anything bad about any of the kits until FP started to have installs. If you were a good shop wouldn’t fab a new part before cutting into the sub-frame; poor Juan’s cars. Now to see the same work done on this car, come on guys use your heads here. Even if the kit did not fit why not send back to GTM to get a new one. Instead he blames GTM like they held a gun to his head telling him to do crap work and ruin a new car. Seriously guys what in the world are some of yall thinking???? People did not call Michael Jackson a child molester for 10 years for no reason. There is a pattern here. The facts are there and no one still wants to believe it. If they will do this kind of work what makes you think they are capable of installing it correctly in the first place. The bottom line is this kit is meant to fit and work, we have seen it time and time again. It just so happens to be; the kits that FP installed were bad kits and caused a flea market like installs??? No every man is responsible for his own decision’s, and the decision to mutilate the kit and cars were FP's decision. And then they give him the wrong turbos........I dont know if I want to murder someone at this point or puke! |
Dpjones, keep fighting the fight man! For all the little people out there! I read through your whole story and I would not be able to keep my temper, or be as patient as you have been. Props to your thick skin and hopefully you get all your money back and then some for your grief. Good luck! :tiphat:
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Stay strong man, hopefully everything works out for you. Usually when stuff like this happens the owners still have to shell out money even though he is the one that got screwed. People can say whatever they want I would have done the same thing, as a matter of fact i would go to every carforums that deals with FP and post my story. Either way what done is done goodluck with everything.
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Here is a great example. Nearly everyone on this forum had issues (including myself) with the Stillen exhaust. I don’t think I saw one person take a damn hammer to it just to make it fit. No, we all communicated, tried to find the best way to make it work and the whole thing was just very civil. I went as far as cutting out the whole center section and putting in an X pipe along with new exhaust tips. THAT’S how you fix something if it’s not 100%. Again, the alignment pics posted before do nothing for me because if everything else fits good and more importantly the car is running perfect that’s what I care about most. But having to absolutely murder parts just to get things to fit would indicate SERIOUS alignment/fitment/quality issues with the parts, and if it was THAT serious we would have heard from other successful builds that had either minor to no issues at all. Again, I don’t know how Stillen's name keeps getting brought into this as if it’s some sort of Stillen vs GTM thing. Everything Stillen has put out thus far except for some small exceptions has needed some sort of modification done, or doest fit perfectly either. Everyone has little issues here at there with parts. I seriously think the closest thing to perfection on these boards is the F.I. exhaust systems. It also makes a lot of sense why companies like AAM want to do all the work themselves when you think about situations like this... |
And here is what get me, if Sharif had installed a GTM kit before and if it really does have fitment issues, which I dont know if there is or not, he should have told the customer that and that they mayhave to fab some stuff themselves to make it fit and include that in the price. Again once a shop takes acontrol of a car its their responsibility to install it properly and at the cost they told the customer, and if anything is broken in the process then new parts should be put on, not repaired or used parts. If they cant install the kit perfectly without smashing or altering things then they should not accept the job. FP tried to arrest Juan for taking his car,so that shows that they know the car is in their control and that means they are responsible for the car and should make sure its perfect and if not compensate the customer if things are Fd up.
OP get the full cost of everything but the price of the kit back from FP to include what it cost you to get it fixed by GTM and pain an dsuffering and time for not having your car. And by the way, how is that GTM did fix all the things FP says are not fitting? What did they do to make things that FP says didnt fit, fit? Did they fab new parts or smash things to make them fit? And Sharif why didnt you just call GTM to ask how they made said part fit if you couldnt figure it out? |
seriously, the only thing stillen can be accused of is overpricing their parts and maybe a few customer service reps that are retarded.
OP i hope everything works out for you dude. GL. Forged: you know what you gotta do dude. |
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To the OP, thanks for posting your experience. Some may find it useful, some will fanboi FP. If it helps even one person then it was worth posting. |
I'am going to throw my 2 cent in since I have not been on here in a few years. After selling my 04 white 350z to a friend with a new rebuilt motor Mr Shairif the smooth talker he is completley screwed these people after they somehow broke the turbo charged them 15k for a new short block, the a/f was not even calibrated and it looked like a 2 year old worked on the car. Since the car has been sitting with problems with sharif not wanting to make it right. These people paid to have the car picked up in Gulf Shores Alabama and dropped off *** well. The delivery man somehow broke the stillen front bumper and sharif said they would cover it but never did. There were alot of other issues as well but to say the least Sharif really screwed these people since they knew nothing about forced induction cars.... I'm knew it was only a matter on time before his @ss would be caught screwing people over like he has in the past and I'm sure there are more but would rather not take the time togo through all of the trouble and bs of being flamed on here since most think he is a saint. Sharif you know who I am and maybe a few others that remember me back in the day... I hope you go back to selling used cars because either way it's all about screwing people to you my little bald friend.....
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guys, how bout thinking in the OP's shoes for once?
dont you think you'll be pissed off? i know some of you would have driven another 500 miles to get physical with the guy for all i know :tup: Dont you think you would want to let people know about your experience with a vendor? Just because you might have had a good experience with them doesnt mean you get to bash on anyone that has something negative to say about them. and regarding the timing of the post, why the F*ck would that matter? |
Wow... reminds me of a dispute I had with a vendor that blew up my engine... I didn't air it publicly due to a legal claim, but I really wanted to! In the time since, I've moved on and pretty much forgiven them - **** happens! And I'm actually glad I didn't make a big deal about it
Looking at the "damages" the OP lists - a fourth of them were things that didn't happen fast enough but eventually got resolved... half of them are nit-picks that would probably have been overlooked by the OP if there weren't so many... yes, I realize it is a long list but crap the car was being worked on in a busy shop for 7 months... and that leaves a couple real mistakes... from what I can tell, Forged has offered / is offering to step up. Does the OP deserve to be PO'd - you're damn right. But it's time to move on. My experience with GTM is that they are emotional and vindictive... sorry Sam, but it's pretty evident from your exchanges with other vendors. And passing one of your dealers an over-billed invoice to "fix" their work is unprofessional. You could have helped the OP work this out without the ambulance chasing. I bet your other dealers are watching this carefully. I'm sure Forged has learned an important lesson and as has been said by others, they will be stronger b/c of it. I'm going to continue working with them. |
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Its also funny how all the guys that did the bad installs no longer work, Hell they shouldnt have been working to begin with. When you hire someone new you as the owner or manager must check their work on a consistant basis to see their level of work. The main issue at FP is not really the workers, its the guy who is suppose to make sure all is ok, and he didnt do that so that shows me the level of his expertise or in this case non expertise as a manager or owner. As a manager QC is of the upmost importance, workers will do what they can to get things done quickly and as easy as possible. Sharif might know how to do the mechanics of an install but he doesnt know squat about being in charge and managing a shop. I think they are going to ask the government for a bailout so they can give bonuses to all the guys that Fd things up and then the owner will get a $10 million bonus too.
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I think we should close this bad boy. I dont think GTM or FP has anything else to say and think their input along with OP's are the only ones that matter at this point. |
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lol wow, I hereby promise never to talk about GTM again. Just to clarify though I don't think any company is perfect and I do think GTM makes some nice stuff and that Sam is just trying to run a business in a tough economic time for the industry. I simply don't agree with some of the things "they" do. I also don't like some of the decisions they made with the s/c. Finally, my opinion of GTM has NOTHING to do with my opinion of Stillen so stop making it seem like it is...
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So zDayz should be interesting, huh? I mean, the Forged crew will be there with all this drama fresh on everyone's minds. It'll be like there's an 800-lb gorilla in the room.
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