haha he is just trying to highlight the fact that there aren't enough GTM kit owners out there... i mean give him a break thats the only valid thing he can say negative about the GTM kit to this point... but to RCZ's defense it seems there have only been the original test car (OKZ370?), shumby's, a white G37, and yours... which makes me curious why you got urs already while danny and the guy who always brag about drag racing with the automatic are still waiting for theirs... are there anybody else waiting?

Not much going on in cricket land, but a 1000hp 370z in progress. Thats enough to shut me up.

Doesn't take much to satisfy you I see. Since that build does nothing for me, I could care less and am annoyed that it might be slowing down progress on something that is important to me.

well this project could be important to others and they could be annoyed that the SC kit is slowing down their project. There is a balance to everything.

HAHAHA, MMC just take a deep breathe, you will be ok brother.

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If we compared the number of people seriously interested in superchargers with the number of people seriously waiting to do a 1000hp build, you would see your balance shift one direction dramatically.

maybe so but you may not understand the recognition a 1000 hp Z can bring to the company. Its not always about you man.

To follow your line of thinking, just think of the recognition a successful supercharger kit could bring to a company when your competitor is stumbling. Instead of driving a stake in their heart, lets just trickle these things out and give them time to repair their reputation (and kit).

As to being about me, from the number of posts in all the supercharger threads, it would seem there is plenty of shared interest.

YOU were the one that said YOU were annoyed cuz YOU might have to wait longer. I didnt see the words the community or us. And big sponsorships can come from big HP cars for these companies. Im sure they can find a balance for both. I really doubt this is delaying the SC any, they are just trying to get it right since the other is having problems and they dont want to have the same thing happen to them. If they come out with a kit that doesnt require a car to be parked for 2 months after its installed they still got the one up even if it came out a little later. patience is a virtue I guess.

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Well stated. I know Sam very well and I know he is a quality control freak. :bowrofl:

You guys crack me up.. GTM was talking about development of their supercharger kit in Sept 09, with a big announcement in what March 2010? Now it is mid-August 2010, almost 1 year since they first talked about it..

Stillen is the same way..

I think patience has been shown and exhausted..

Now, still in for UPDATES.. Someone is going to sell me a kit once it is proven. I'm not a beta tester unless I'm getting it for free.

Im with you on that and if I cant get my GS LS3 vette here soon I will settle for a SC kit for the Z. Im still leaning towards GTM and would hate for them to come out too soon and my car be sitting in the garage or shop. I dont pay a monthly payment to have my car sittin.

I really don't mean to add fuel to the fire, but the cheaper kit that eveyone can afford isthe bread and butter for the financial viability of a company. Toyota makes their money from camry's, not LFA's. Chevrolet makes their money from suv's, not Corvette ZR1's. Yes, it's a crown jewel, but it doesn't keep the company afloat.

I have a new Rotrex SC never used or installed for sale. I was going to put it in my 370 Z. The car is totaled so this is for sale.

PM me if interested.

Stan


....now back to your regular thread drama :icon17:

no but they do it so it can bring in recognition by being in races or magazines all of which brings things to the company we dont see. Basic marketing really. People are gonna buy anyway, and from what Ive seen in this forum guys will buy almost blindly and then buy more a few months later so the company is going to make its money anyway and they know this. How many times have people in his forum bought something blindly and then a few months later the same company comes out with another product only to be bought by the same people that has to replace the first product they bought. ie HFC to LTH. So I guess my point is they will make money with the SC and they will get their 1000 hp car out and we will buy no matter what. And we will wait for it.

And by the way when Chevrolet was in a bad way tand they were trying to relate how they were losing money, guess which vehicle they used to make the comparison, the vette, so they do make huge money off the vette.

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So very true, that is a valid point and one that has particular resonence in the aftermarket tuning community. It is not like waiting another 3 months or 9 will have a huge negative impact, you just have to wait longer to spend your money but that extra R&D will net you a FI solution that will have kinks worked out for a smooth bolt on installation. No one wants to buy a kit for $6,000 plus and have to spend hours or more money trying to work out the kinks caused by less product research and development.

crickets?

1 less cricket, here are some shots of my carpet ;)

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The casting on some of the pieces is just so well done. I have some super high res photo's, these tho, I just snapped with my cell phone.

Please post the better photos these hurt my eyes!

I'm assuming that the S/C will easily work with your HD cooler. Hopefully we'll see how it matches with your exhaust components, good luck!

Cool, I like the built in elbow on the SC.

Have no idea...I'm still debating if I should put the stock cats back on.

I decided last minute that I wanted to really learn the ins and outs of this project and I'll be doing the install myself with my best friend. Probably will take us 2 weeks with work and all but should be a great experience.

I'll be sending out the ECU stuff to Sam tonight.

EDIT: I should say, I am confident its going to work fine with the HD cooler, but I'm also going to go a bit custom in the placement of where it goes. I'm even entertaining the thought of the Zele front bumper for the purpose of more air flow/different placement possibilities.

The reason you want to switch back to the stock cat is it because too much air flow and not be able to hold boost? Because I am interested in the SC kit, but I'm running test pipes too, I don't know if my exhaust set up right now is the best for the SC kit. You think switch to HFC will work?

Still a bit premature to say for sure.

I hope in the end the issue with the GTM SC and after market exhausts a la long tube headers, test pipes, or HFC is because of the tune and not the inability of the SC unit to compensate for the increase in flow. I know Dreamer is working on it and I've probably mentioned this issue a million times.

It's just that to my knowledge an aftermarket exhaust should help an S/C kit granted the tubing is less than 3" in diameter. I know the reason why we haven't heard anything out of GTM is because they are still working on it, I hope they update us soon. I'm more about the "go" rather than the "show" so I'd rather get the S/C kit then wheels but I'm tempted everyday.

how about doing what robispec did or treating it like the ARC sub radiator... where the cooler is located with in the driver side front fender... it seems nothing is really going on that side of the car with the GTM kit...

hope GTM will post good results for the SC kit with test pipes or LTH soon.

^ Its not gonna happen on their "Stage 1" kit. Maybe with the stage 3 they won't lose the lbs...if thats what you're referring to. It's been shown a few times already that the small compressor housing cannot flow enough to sate a free flowing exhaust. I guess in other words it's not well suited for a car with LTH's or the like, but rather a car that is supposed to pass CARB. If I had to pick up a GTM SC and not care about CARB, I would not be at all interested in stage 1. Maybe stage 2. Definitely stage 3. Obviously stage 3 would flow more...but then you'd lose the insta-spool and low end torque qualities that people like about this kit. A while back I looked at the flow charts of the rotrex units used in the different GTM kits....the Stage 3 unit flows similar to the vortech unit in the Stillen kit. I'm not sure why anyone planning to run headers and exhaust is considering the GTM stage 1. That's my take on things. Not starting a fire here, but I would like know what other folks think about that.

well, the GTM SC stage 1 kit with aftermarket exhaust post pretty good number, 460whp, and 360wtq. It's just that with the LTH there is that problem, I think with the test pipes it will be the same problem. I don't think there is gonna be a problem with the HFC though. What do you guys think. Also, I am in Cali, and I don't think I'm getting the CARB kit, because the GTM kit unlike the Stillen kit does not draw that much attation, I doubt anyone will recognize it.

I did the LTHs because I already had them and was curious.
No loss for me if they do not work in the end, and I can always upgrade to a larger setup with the GTM kit and try them out down the road.

man, I hope you find a way to make it work, I'm about pulling the trigger, but i don't want to give up my test pipes.

I will be getting my GTM SC some time in the future. It will not be a stage one. There are some things that Sam is working on so that it will fit in the car. I will be running the stillen headers and the Berk cats with the stillen CBE. I also will be dynoing with the stock cats to see whick ones make more usuable RWHP.
Will keep you guys posted when i get the kit.

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This sounds like a pretty accurate observation IMO.

RCZ is on point, I guess a lot of us SC guys wanting to go with GTM are going to have to wait it out.

If you reall want to approach it that way, try it with the cats first, dyno it, look at your boost, then put the stock cats back on, dyno it and look at boost again. You'll find that with the cats, you make more hp with less boost. Put the more restrictive cats on and boost pressure goes up, but make less hp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but more power at less psi boost is better/safer.

Exactly. People are obsessed with a boost number. Who cares about such things if the power is there.

Phi and MMC, I understand your point but what I'm saying is different. Power is made on flow. The car clearly has the ability to flow more than the stage 1 rotrex unit does. So that tells me that you could use a bigger unit that flows more which would make more power. A bigger unit would flow more and start getting choked up by the amount of flow of the actual motor, thats when you would see PSI start to rise.

So no, its not that people are obsessed with psi numbers, its that you could be making more power because the ENGINE is capable of flowing more than the SC does.

I dont care one way or another, I just want good usable power. I will be trying it out both ways. Additionally, I just got nice little gift from a friend - a brand spanking new AEM water/meth kit. Supposedly these are no joke...We already tore apart my trunk last night to get ready for the routing.

I should take a poll on this but I know Sam knows best. I'm still not sure where to tap into...different points will require a completely different way at looking how to 'custom' tune it. I may go the safe route and just put 2 small nozzels after the mafs just for the purpose of cooling the charge (distilled water)

direct port into the manifold.... How come you are using meth?