I think that is the way I am leaning at this point, although I don't know if it will be a new Z or something else entirely.

That is exactly what I plan to do. You think it takes 10 to 13k to boost your vehicle properly (just a rough estimate) and if you have 10k to boost you have 10k to get a newer platform. I am shooting for the high side but I don't think that you can honestly boost for under 10. Plus tune and whatever other parts you may require along the way it isn't worth it in my opinion.

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I've decided to sell my Z. I love the car and it's in great condition. But I just can't do anything else to it while living in CA and I don't plan on moving out of state. It's going to be hard to modify new cars as well so it's a difficult situation to be sure.

I'm in So Cal and just registered my car. Just got to know the right people :tiphat:

I'm just wondering (not to hijack the thread) - but it seems like most people don't have many or any issues when going FI when using FI as the installer and Seb as the tuner - not to say something can't happen but it seems from watching YouTube, looking at this forum - that it seems to be mostly when people do the install themselves or use shops that aren't used to working on Nissans that problems occur.
I guess what I am getting at is - boosting the Z correctly is an expensive endeavor to begin with - but would be safer to have Fast Intentions handle it - you typically don't have a lot of issues etc?

Seb actually installed mine. I don't think FI does any of the tt installs. They'll just recommend Seb if the customer is in So Cal. Even a lot of out of state customers ship their car's to Seb for the install and of course the tune also. With Seb doing everything, you know there won't be any issues. They did a beautiful install on mine

Yeah, I was originally considering this route. I ended up chatting with FI directly about the situation, my mileage and what would be involved and it ended up being more than cost. They were really helpful on weighing the issues but leaned heavily towards the do-not-install side of things given the mileage on the car.

I am also concerned with how quickly CA is moving on tightening registration and fear that, although it may be possible at this time there could soon come a time when even "helpful" guys can't pass it. Then I either need to run illegal, tear it all out or move the family out of state...

If shipping weren't so expensive, I would consider sending him my car just to have it dyno tuned. Seb is really good at what he does.

I was going through the same thoughts and I came to my senses and realized it is not worth building a 370z after putting in several grand in NA aftermarket parts. It is better to keep the Z as stock-improved and buy a higher class vehicle like a Camaro, BMW, Audi and such. It just does not make sense to spend over 15k on a vehicle that will not retain any added value.

The only thing that will come close to the handling of a Z is a Corvette. The front grip on a C7 Corvette is actually better. A Camaro is not even on the list.

Putting several grand in a NA z really does transform the car especially on the track.

To me - there are only a few cars I would rather have over the current Z - the Supra (in MT only), the Civic Type R and then the new Z (depending on how much of a GT type of car it is).....bc cars like the GTR and a really nice Porsche just seem to be 'out of reach' even when adding $20k to the Z (as long as its PIF). I don't know - part of me is wanting to keep the current Z and make it a project car and get a 'fun daily' while the Z is down and the other part of me is like - try a new platform altogether bc any money put toward a TT kit - you won't get back.

BMW and Audis are really nice but the lack of reliability is what scares me - and Camaros are a 'no go' for me - only Chevy I would want is a Corvette haha.

You guys are nuts sleeping on the absolute track weapon that is the Camaro zl1 1le.

7:16 at the nordschleife
1:37 at Laguna Seca

as fast as a gtr or a cayman gt4, faster than a viper acr, but with a manual transmission, and it's insanely cheap for the performance.

No different they spending another 30-70k in proper mods they Z is just as fast, but you don’t get the street ability as those cars above.

I do agree with you that stat wise - the ZL1 is an incredible machine for the price (if you can get it at a fair price in this current market); but I also have to enjoy looking at it - and while I am sure it's NOT the same - when I was in my friend's SS 1st gen - I just felt like I was in a tank - felt like there was NO visibility and the front windshield was so small (I know the Z is no picnic either but compared to the Camaro - I feel like its easier to see out of etc).

But agreed - the ZL1 is one incredible machine.

I prefer to see where i'm going when driving.:rofl2:

Just get a Tesla Model S Plaid. Problem solved. Lol

Yuk!!!! It can go fast but can't stop for chit.

There was three zl1 1le at the track session today. And the owner and lead instructor owns a 1le as well. He even uses it for autocross. Major complaints from the owners are that tires are expensive and used up quickly. It's a damn nice looking car in person tho. Only bad visibility out the front if you're tall.

This comes to mind about the Tesla.

Or this one.

Or this one.

Tesla is also the one of if not the safest car in the world to actually be in a crash in.

After watching speed academy (sasha really) have the brake failure on track, no thanks.


Tis why if i got an EV, the Polestar 2 is on the top of my list.


Edit: didn't see the final page of this thread before posting, but that's the video!

I'm waiting to see the nismo. If it's not super hella tight 3000, I'm gonna put in a vr38.

Seems I could just swap a vr38 top end and all the plumbing and turbos of my choice. Build up the bottom end.. forged rods, knife edged crank, liners.. Not sure what bore and stroke increases are possible. Don't they share the same block? The GTR is just dressed up with bigger bore liners, or longer stroke, right? If the coolant passages line up.. it should be good to go. I could, in theory just by a GTR nismo top end and rebuild it, plug it in... intake, throttle body should all line up and look OEM.. the ultimate Z sleeper. Of course, would need a stand alone, tune, etc etc, etc $$$$ Or is there something I'm not seeing here?

Shrug. For me it's not cost tho. I'll never sell my nismo. The only way I'd sell this car was if the new one was just too friggin' sick to not have. It's about what I think would be cool to have. I like doing mods from the OEM parts bins. It's kinda my thing. I also like displacement... a lot. None of this stuff is cheap, even the "cheap" stuff. I've just accepted that cars are money pits lol. If I sink 100k into it to make it exactly how I want.. idc.(As long as I can space out that 100k at least a few years lmao) The 370 is damn close to exactly how I envision a perfect sports car to be. One of the best platforms to work from out there IMO. If it was built exactly how I want it, it would likely have had a prancing horse, and retailed for 250k+. I would easily dump millions into a 100% custom ground up one off build. It's a damn bargain in those terms.

Also, I think the nismo cars will go way up in value eventually. I'm roughly 100k into my 951, bought it for 12k 20 years ago. I'm doing a similar restomod parts bin build on it that's almost done. It's a 3.0 s2/68 951 top end swap. Sorted ones in any mileage are going for 50ish k now. Mine with the mods and total ground up resto is probably a 80-100k car now. My point is, it's all where you're true perceived value lies.

Anyway.. my .02.

The 350 Nismo will go up in value, if it has been unmolested.

100%

Sometimes I regret not getting the 350 nismo. Frankly, I think the first gen 370 nismo is better tho. I came across two while sourcing my 2011. I think in 20 years the badged 370 nismos will be pretty collectible. In 20 years you'll be able to pop the hood and still go.. no ****.. a vr top end.. rad. The stillen, FI, <insert random aftermarket parts huckster> cars will likely long be forgotten about. Rotting in some storage unit, or barn cause they couldnt get the parts to fix it, and just said eff it. It should also be CARB compliant. Will pass smog and visual.. Looks OEM. Theyre not gonna remove intakes and parts to look for turbos underneath.

That's one of the great things about keeping mods in the OEM bins.. It's arguably not molesting it. Not everyone agrees, but enough do to make the mods worth it in the long run, if done right. It takes a while to find the right buyer to appreciate it, and chunk ouyt a premium for it, but they're around. MA motorsports would be a good shop to do the build if hedging against deflation I think. Of course if you really want to impress and shut up even the most purist snobs you could try to get nismo to do it. MA is pretty closely affiliated with their motorsports division tho, so in 20 years it could still be considered OEM built even. In the Porsche world we have the classic cars program now and porsche will completely disassemble and rebuild your car with original factory tooling. MA is kinda like andial in the porsche world. Porsche ended up buying andial.. Their old builds are basically oem porsches to collectors. Ruf comes to mind, they never built 944's but everyone has heard of them.

Where did you get the idea that the VR38 heads would fit on a VQ37 and be better. The VR38 block is the valuable part. Not sure what you have been reading or have been told. That's a No go though.

Well, this is one of those situations where I'm not entirely sure... yet. Part of why I brought it up. Now that the 944 is finally getting put back together I can start focusing on my Z. Not many have done this yet(if any), and I haven't taken one apart yet to find out. Based on what I'm seeing so far tho, the VQ and VR are the same block. Cast from the same molds. The difference is that they 'dress up' the VR block. Why buy a whole long block? I can just build up my vq bottom end myself, to my specs. Liners, close the deck, longer stroke, lower compression, forged rods. As long as the coolant passages line up it's gravy. They should. The main difference between the engines bottom ends is that the VR is built for boost, and a slightly longer stroke. Also why slapping on aftermarket turbos onto a high compression stock bottom end is not a good idea, and in 20 years will be worthless. Why use the VR heads? "Bett
er"? Whether the vq heads are better is subjective. They're not built for boost, and I'm pretty sure they wont line up with the GTR intake and plumbing. I could be wrong tho. I havent sunk my teeth into all the fine details, yet. I'm certainly not seeing how it's a "no go" though. Unless you got schematics proving otherwise.

They also share the same core chassis FWIW. If any nissans were truly bespoke, they'd be priced with ferraris, bugatti, pagani, etc. The FM platform is what all the rwd nissans share. Some chassis get sent down the line to be dressed up as altimas.. Some get sent over to the nismo plant and dressed up as sports cars with a vq or vr...

Also, in 20 years it will be nice to have as many matching numbers as possible when a concourse judge takes a long gander at it. lol

The VR38 and the VQ37VHR are not the same block. They are way different. The VQ oil pump is ran on the crank. The VR38 oil pump is ran via a chain on the crank. Totally different. The VR38 block is closed deck with 13mm head studs. The VQ is open deck with 12mm head studs. The engines are totally different. Can't leave off the drive shaft running through the factory oil pain of the VR38. VR38's are taller also.

Again, same casting. Dressed up for boost.. I forgot to mention AWD dressings.. my bad. Pumps and chains should be auxilary to the block with the same exact bore, and coolant passages. Of course all that heavy obese godzilla crap would be deleted. LMAO Besides, its moot if I'm just plugging in a top end to a vq bottom end dressed up for boost to my liking. All you would really need is forged rods, and lower comp pistons to have a reiable turbo car(bottom end wise). If you want to crank out high boost, yeah.. you'd want to close the deck to prevent the jugs from wiggling.. like nissan did. They already spent millions here writing the playbook, might as well follow it. It is a highly developed motorsport platform already.. they just didn't put all the parts on it that I want cause it would've taken sales from their flagship gtr pig. Nothing stopping me from taking those parts, and configuring them how I want on a proper RWD manual.

"The VQ oil pump is ran on the crank. The VR38 oil pump is ran via a chain on the crank."

The crank is not the same. The oiling difference I would assume is for a dry sump. The VR has 2,5 mm longer stroke. So yeah, def different crank.. Same block, coolant passages and bolt patterns tho.

"The VR38 block is closed deck with 13mm head studs. The VQ is open deck with 12mm head studs."

1mm drill and tap, then call ARP. Done. Just needs to be the same pattern. The deck, again.. put whatever liners you want in it. Doesn't even have to be the same material nissan ran. Hell, put iron sleeves in with closed deck, and call mahle for some pistons. I like JE too. You could probably put in the VR sleeves even. The material you choose for sleeves determines which pistons you can run is all really. Closed deck is really necessary for high boost apps. Hence why nissan put it on their boosted version of the FM sports car platform. On low to moderate boost, you wont see wiggle. Especially if tuned properly. My 944 has an open deck. I put 50k on it with 16 psi.. no issues. Again, decking, oiling, sleeving.. this is all ancillary to the actual block/crankcase. All the rwd nissans share many of the same core parts. They do this to save money. and manufacture a sports car people can afford vs the GTR hardly anyone can afford. It's a tuner car, it was literally designed to be finished and tuned by the end user. If you want nissan to dress your z chassis up from the factory with race tech, and performance to their liking, its called a GTR. The GTR doesn't do it for me. It's a bloated, ugly pig IMO. Not how I would dress it up, thats part of why they make the z the way they do. It's got to fit a budget. You could spend200-250k on a nismo gtr dressed up just how nissan thinks you should want it, or you could buy a z for 40-50k, and for another 100k(max high number) plug in the parts and configure it how you want it. RWD manual FTW. I'll totally highjack their engineering, and develoment tho. Put it all into one car to my liking. Mwahahaha. They do have tasty milkshakes... Sip, sip, gulp. :yum:

Oh, the 6 speed also might not line up with the bell housing. It should, but if not its not real expensive to have an adapter plate fabricated. Again, should be the same pattern

What's the deal with the borg-warner 6 speed the gtr briefly had? I'm assuming the diff wouldn't work. That borg-warner lump should be crate ready from borg-warner off the shelf with plenty of parts availability.

LOL, you don't know crap. Now I am tired of dealing with your dumb butt. Have a nice day. Go back to Facebook.

Wow.. ok.

Thanks for such a technical, and concise refutation. Funny, cause I've literally never had a facebook account. 23 years later after finding out about it from a from a friend that was attending upenn at the time. Was pretty obvious from day one. :rolleyes:

LMAO. So far you've told me nothing thats not easily modded. Bigger head studs.. cool, bro. Oooh, ahh. lol Makes sense.. boosted motor. That's why they make these things called a tap & die. Bigger bored out threads=bigger studs. Pattern is same, coolant passages are same. There were people like you on rennlist when I first did this with my 94I grafted a 951 top end to a s2 bottom end, and 968 crank, with a 2.7 89 944 head with proper passages that lined up with the 951 intake that connected to all the upstream turbo goodies. It's not possible they said, very few have done it right, it will be too expensive, blah blah Now there are likely over 100 3.0 builds in the wild, and an entire registry for them on rennlist. :happydance:

Don't worry, sweety. I'll probably start a thread about the build just to see if you're right or wrong once I actually go down that rabbit hole. Once the 44 is done. I'll probably get a 4x4 and the nissan will get the proper treatment too now that the warranty is up. should be done by fall.

I'm figuring someone around here knows the nuances already. I'm still not seeing any reason why not. Then again, I'm just a "dumb butt". What would I know? That must be the case. That's all the convincing I need. :rofl2:

And the childish woke come for Spooler! This thread is cancelled in five, four, thr... oh wait I forgot, the concept of numbers are/is/they colonialism.

They have been after me for the last 3 years. Nothing new. LMAO!!!

I'm woke? Oh man, I'm just learning all kinds of things about myself that I never knew. From strangers that I have never met me on an internet forum too.

Seems someone has regrets about their Biden vote? Was it the fence, or the grab 'em by the puzzy" that triggered ya?

:driving:

I like to know what in the hell you are smoking. Because it's killing your brain cells. Spooler has done more research on the 3.7 VQ motor than anyone else I know. His first motor made over 800 HP. Second motor made over 1,000HP. Who knows what his 3rd motor will make. It's in the planning stage now. When he speaks, you better listen. The man knows his chit.

The VQ and VR motors are 2 different motors all to together. There is nothing the same. If there were. There would be a thread about it. Nothing interchanges.

His response clearly is indicative of that.

I'm the one speaking gibberish? Y'all fell for it, not me. LMAO I see. I must just be dumb.

What numbers? Please, tell me.. if I can get a chem degree from AZ state, I'm pretty sure I can understand what oh so sage knowledge his highness has up in his head. Cause so far, nuh uh, pointing out the crank is different, and it has larger head studs(boosted makes sense), then stamping off, and pouting isn't saying anything. Is it o-ringed too... ooh ahh.. thats some proprietary nissan tech there. LMAO

"The VQ and VR motors are 2 different motors all to together. There is nothing the same. If there were. There would be a thread about it. Nothing interchanges."

Nothing you say? Same bore.. nearly the same stroke. If coolant passages are the same, I can almost guarantee the heads line up and the rest.

Since when do woke kids rock fire breathing turbos and no cats??? LMAO News to me.

Ah, I'm a dipchit and a troll.

I'm crushed. lol

Welp, that explains it. Who needs numbers? Oh, and schematics? It clearly doesn't work, a random internet guy on 370z.com said it doesn't. He made big numbers... he knows everything now. Bahahahahahaha

This is fun.

Seriously tho, why wouldn't it work? Still waiting on a valid reason.. Head studs aren't it, sorry. "it would already be a thread if it did" is not a reason.. sorry.