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GeauxTigers1 02-04-2020 12:07 PM

AAM Intake Manifold Q
 
Yes I know, there's a ton of info on it and I've read about it. We actually experienced approx 35 hp loss with the manifold so originally took it off and went with the stock intake manifold. HOWEVER, if I'm able to run more boost (20-24lbs) safer, I'd rather go that route and lose the 4% hp. Has anyone actually had issues with their stock manifold cracking or failing?

nic370 02-04-2020 12:08 PM

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Spooler 02-04-2020 12:19 PM

Ask Seb what he thinks. Headgasket's start popping at 24psi of boost even if you have a RJM closed deck block and ARP 625's. Not sure how your motor is built but I would be more worried about that. Have you look inside the manifolds runners? You may find some casting flaws that need to be cleaned up. I ran 22 psi sparingly with no issues.

GeauxTigers1 02-04-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3906236)
Ask Seb what he thinks. Headgasket's start popping at 24psi of boost even if you have a RJM closed deck block and ARP 625's. Not sure how your motor is built but I would be more worried about that. Have you look inside the manifolds runners? You may find some casting flaws that need to be cleaned up. I ran 22 psi sparingly with no issues.

yep! Have Seb Scheduled for 2/13 for a full tuning visit. JMS did a great tune but there's nothing quite like having the "godfather" of all Z's having a look ;)

The JMS Stage 2 Shortblock build included JMS Spec CP Pistons/Carillo Rods, ARP Mains Studs, New Main, and Rod Bearings.

Did have the Cosworth Head Gasket added during the build but again always like to get his input. I'll probably just bring the intake manifold with me and have him take a look at it.

Hotrodz 02-04-2020 01:10 PM

I am in agreement with Spooler. That manifold is only good if it is ported and polished. You would be better off doing a GTR manifold conversion. Just Spooler pointed out the issue is head gasket problems when you get above 18 psi which is long before the upper manifold becomes an issue. The oem manifold will start to fail at about 25 psi. My two cents, don't fix what's not broke!

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Spooler 02-04-2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GeauxTigers1 (Post 3906252)
yep! Have Seb Scheduled for 2/13 for a full tuning visit. JMS did a great tune but there's nothing quite like having the "godfather" of all Z's having a look ;)

The JMS Stage 2 Shortblock build included JMS Spec CP Pistons/Carillo Rods, ARP Mains Studs, New Main, and Rod Bearings.

Did have the Cosworth Head Gasket added during the build but again always like to get his input. I'll probably just bring the intake manifold with me and have him take a look at it.

Do you have a closed deck block and what head studs were used? I am just asking to help prevent you from doing a blunder like I did. Seb is going to grill you anyways. LMAO.

nic370 02-04-2020 01:24 PM

Sorry to thred hijack what comp ratio are you guys running on your fi builds ?


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Spooler 02-04-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nic370 (Post 3906259)
Sorry to thred hijack what comp ratio are you guys running on your fi builds ?


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I run E85 so I stayed stock compression ratio at 11:1.

GeauxTigers1 02-04-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3906254)
I am in agreement with Spooler. That manifold is only good if it is ported and polished. You would be better off doing a GTR manifold conversion. Just Spooler pointed out the issue is head gasket problems when you get above 18 psi which is long before the upper manifold becomes an issue. The oem manifold will start to fail at about 25 psi. My two cents, don't fix what's not broke!

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This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Read on a previous thread when I was researching AAM, that OEM manifold started to fail at anything above 20lbs and that's what started my brain going haywire.

Hotrodz 02-04-2020 01:59 PM

Copy that!

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GeauxTigers1 02-04-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3906258)
Do you have a closed deck block and what head studs were used? I am just asking to help prevent you from doing a blunder like I did. Seb is going to grill you anyways. LMAO.

Yep, closed deck option added, ARP L19 Head Stud Kit

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Originally Posted by nic370 (Post 3906259)
Sorry to thred hijack what comp ratio are you guys running on your fi builds ?


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As spooler mentioned there seems to be quite a few running different compression ratios. I'm running Wiseco Piston 9:1

Spooler 02-04-2020 02:00 PM

I wouldn't do a GTR manifold conversion. The runners are too long and will cause issues in the midrange.

GeauxTigers1 02-04-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3906268)
Copy that!

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sometimes reading previous threads is a great thing, othertimes it starts a spiderweb of thoughts and worries. lol

phunk 02-04-2020 02:26 PM

Never heard of a stock manifold failure. Im sure it will eventually let go if you keep increasing boost pressure.

Your signature says youre running 800ftlb torque.. that is approaching (if not well-in) the danger-zone for VQ headgaskets. You could be an exception. But if you are looking to stay on the safe side of things, I wouldnt be worried about your intake manifold I would be worried about your headgaskets.

Spooler 02-04-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3906280)
Never heard of a stock manifold failure. Im sure it will eventually let go if you keep increasing boost pressure.

Your signature says youre running 800ftlb torque.. that is approaching (if not well-in) the danger-zone for VQ headgaskets. You could be an exception. But if you are looking to stay on the safe side of things, I wouldnt be worried about your intake manifold I would be worried about your headgaskets.

700ft/lb at 4550 RPM and mine were done. It appears the higher the RPM the peak TQ is, the lesser of a problem it is.


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