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redondoaveb 10-19-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3793515)
Lol give me some links

Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/user/evanosteen1

Jinxx 10-19-2018 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3793458)
Do the NT05's halfway hook up? I am searching for my next set of tires. LOL

Even with his power level the TQ comes on a lot harder on a turbo setup over a supercharger setup , I had better traction with my supercharger setup than my turbo setup ... there isn’t very much option for a street tire that will hold these power levels ... other than drag radials ... but drawbacks are wet roads and longevity will suck

jwick 10-19-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3793524)
Even with his power level the TQ comes on a lot harder on a turbo setup over a supercharger setup , I had better traction with my supercharger setup than my turbo setup ... there isn’t very much option for a street tire that will hold these power levels ... other than drag radials ... but drawbacks are wet roads and longevity will suck


That’s what we’ve all been say for weeks. There is no tire that will hold the power of a turbo in 1st/2nd and even 3rd fear depending on your power level.

Jinxx 10-19-2018 08:52 PM

The only other option after selecting tires/camber adjustments/LSD upgrade ..is boost by gear setup ... which I’ll be looking at soon

Spooler 10-19-2018 10:29 PM

You now have a drivers car. It takes a driver to get the most out of what you have now. You can't just mash the go pedal anymore. For me, I love these types of cars. They are very fun to drive and they keep you on your toes at all times. Not everyone can drive them and get the very best out of them. It takes practice and skill.

redondoaveb 10-19-2018 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3793526)
that’s what we’ve all been say for weeks. There is no tire that will hold the power of forced induction in 1st/2nd and even 3rd fear depending on your power level.

fify

redondoaveb 10-19-2018 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3793542)
You now have a drivers car. It takes a driver to get the most out of what you have now. You can't just mash the go pedal anymore. For me, I love these types of cars. They are very fun to drive and they keep you on your toes at all times. Not everyone can drive them and get the very best out of them. It takes practice and skill.

It's all about respect. :tup:

Jinxx 10-19-2018 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3793542)
You now have a drivers car. It takes a driver to get the most out of what you have now. You can't just mash the go pedal anymore. For me, I love these types of cars. They are very fun to drive and they keep you on your toes at all times. Not everyone can drive them and get the very best out of them. It takes practice and skill.

:iagree: And above all ... respect the car and what it’s capable of .. cause when you don’t it can make for a bad day.

shadow85 10-20-2018 07:45 AM

I like the sound of boost by gear.

But not sure if it would help me at all, because even on wastegate pressure of 9-10 psi I am wheel spin city.

Spooler 10-20-2018 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3793550)
It's all about respect. :tup:

Forget respect. I am just crazy and it takes a ton crazy to get my adrenaline rush. Why do you think boosted guys always want more.

jwick 10-20-2018 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3793581)
I like the sound of boost by gear.

But not sure if it would help me at all, because even on wastegate pressure of 9-10 psi I am wheel spin city.


Why’d you choose 10psi as your gate pressure, are you planning on running 20psi at some point?

redondoaveb 10-20-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3793582)
Forget respect. I am just crazy and it takes a ton crazy to get my adrenaline rush. Why do you think boosted guys always want more.

Why do you think I've been back to Seb 3 times for boost upgrades. :rofl2:

Spooler 10-20-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3793624)
Why do you think I've been back to Seb 3 times for boost upgrades. :rofl2:

Do this. Put someone in your car as a passenger and cut loose. Your normal will scare the crap out of them. That is what would happen to me. I was just driving normal I thought. LOL I guess I need to invest in a GoPro so I can document my car re-learning experience when I get my car back. It would be interesting and maybe some of this crying about traction will die down.

shadow85 10-21-2018 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3793595)
Why’d you choose 10psi as your gate pressure, are you planning on running 20psi at some point?

No, I just assumed I would be on a lower spring gate pressure, AAM never asked me about it when they sent the kit out and I am pretty sure they say their kits ship out with 5-7psi spring unless requested for other ones.

But I am seeing 9.9 psi in 4th gear redline on my setup

Chuck33079 10-21-2018 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3793738)
they say their kits ship out with 5-7psi spring unless requested for other ones.

But I am seeing 9.9 psi in 4th gear redline on my setup

Why is this not your most immediate concern, rather than your tires? More boost than expected is not necessarily a good thing.

Jinxx 10-21-2018 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3793763)
Why is this not your most immediate concern, rather than your tires? More boost than expected is not necessarily a good thing.


:iagree:...your spring pressure on the wastegates should be pretty close to your boost pressure if not you need to find out why ..could be vacuum line not connected right ..or could be have came off ..got cut ....and I would verify which spring in in the waste gates.....the traction isn’t really something “wrong” that needs to be fixed ..it’s a effect of having a boosted Z ...you just need to learn to use it ...but not knowing what boost you should be running and just running whatever it gets can cause that’s what it does to me is a much higher priority

NorthStyle 10-21-2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3793542)
You now have a drivers car. It takes a driver to get the most out of what you have now. You can't just mash the go pedal anymore. For me, I love these types of cars. They are very fun to drive and they keep you on your toes at all times. Not everyone can drive them and get the very best out of them. It takes practice and skill.

I mean... this has been reiterated to him on multiple, multiple, multiple occasions. Next, I'm guessing he or she's about to ask about adding aero.

shadow85 10-21-2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3793767)
:iagree:...your spring pressure on the wastegates should be pretty close to your boost pressure if not you need to find out why ..could be vacuum line not connected right ..or could be have came off ..got cut ....and I would verify which spring in in the waste gates.....the traction isn’t really something “wrong” that needs to be fixed ..it’s a effect of having a boosted Z ...you just need to learn to use it ...but not knowing what boost you should be running and just running whatever it gets can cause that’s what it does to me is a much higher priority

Well, the EBC was reporting 14psi but then adter returning the car to the installer they tweaked the vaccum plumbing and it has brang the boost pressure down to 8-10psi.

And I have been told conflicting things about what the factory AAM TT spring pressure come with. Some say it is 5-7psi spring and some tell me it is 10 psi.

We can't check what spring it is now because the motor has to be dropped to get to it. And AAM are no help after they get your money, they do not reply to e-mails or amswer phone calls from me for over 6+ months. I gave up hope trying to contact them to get some info.

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Originally Posted by NorthStyle (Post 3793773)
I mean... this has been reiterated to him on multiple, multiple, multiple occasions. Next, I'm guessing he or she's about to ask about adding aero.

I created this thread to learn about other peoples setups and what they are running, not to be told that again. So why bring that up?

Stay on topic please?

Jinxx 10-21-2018 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3793831)
Well, the EBC was reporting 14psi but then adter returning the car to the installer they tweaked the vaccum plumbing and it has brang the boost pressure down to 8-10psi.

And I have been told conflicting things about what the factory AAM TT spring pressure come with. Some say it is 5-7psi spring and some tell me it is 10 psi.

We can't check what spring it is now because the motor has to be dropped to get to it. And AAM are no help after they get your money, they do not reply to e-mails or amswer phone calls from me for over 6+ months. I gave up hope trying to contact them to get some info.



I created this thread to learn about other peoples setups and what they are running, not to be told that again. So why bring that up?

Stay on topic please?

Stay on topic huh ....well then if we stay on topic ....then there is no need to state anything past what the topic is ......kit ...boost ..hp..and tires ....Your topic isn’t about learning anything about the actual setup ....but good luck with your research

shadow85 10-21-2018 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3793876)
Stay on topic huh ....

Well I was just answering a question that I got asked in that post.

James10694 11-13-2018 01:32 AM

1. Boosted Performance 620whp/489tq
2. 12 Psi
3. Ecutek Tuned by Seb
4. Mickey Thompson ET Street SS 305/40/18
This is my first boosted car and tire setup. I can say it's ALOT better than the stock nismo tires. It doesnt hook in 1st or 2nd but I'm pretty sure I need the driver mod. After I wear these out I will probably go with a 305/45/18 next.

James10694 11-13-2018 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3793526)
That’s what we’ve all been say for weeks. There is no street tire that will hold the power of a turbo in 1st/2nd and even 3rd fear depending on your power level.

Fixed

shadow85 11-27-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by James10694 (Post 3798661)
1. Boosted Performance 620whp/489tq
2. 12 Psi
3. Ecutek Tuned by Seb
4. Mickey Thompson ET Street SS 305/40/18
This is my first boosted car and tire setup. I can say it's ALOT better than the stock nismo tires. It doesnt hook in 1st or 2nd but I'm pretty sure I need the driver mod. After I wear these out I will probably go with a 305/45/18 next.


Nice. What fuel are you using?

Also I recently upgraded from 275/35PSS to 305/30 RE71R.

All I can say, is its a huge difference. I feel much more safe on these new tyres!

6mt370 12-04-2018 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jinxx (Post 3793767)
:iagree:...your spring pressure on the wastegates should be pretty close to your boost pressure if not you need to find out why ..could be vacuum line not connected right ..or could be have came off ..got cut ....and I would verify which spring in in the waste gates.....the traction isn’t really something “wrong” that needs to be fixed ..it’s a effect of having a boosted Z ...you just need to learn to use it ...but not knowing what boost you should be running and just running whatever it gets can cause that’s what it does to me is a much higher priority

Who told you that the spring in the WG has to be close to what you're actually going to be putting out? I have had an 11psi spring on a single 44mm Tial WG in my Supra for years and on high boost it sees 30+psi. The car has never had any boost issues either. Boost control is absolutely perfect and has never over boosted once.

solidus 12-12-2018 11:26 PM

Sooooo I switched to the R888R last week. It's a 305/30 versus the 325 RE11 on my other rear wheels. Night and Day. The car was completely sketch at 12psi doing 3rd gear WOT logging on RE11's. To the point I could'nt actually look over at the AFR gauge to see if it was matched up with what ECUTEK was logging for AFRs. Got the tires on just in time for Seb to up the boost for MAP 2. Got the tires warmed up after a Cruise log then did an Area 51 set of 3rd gear WOT logs. I had watched a review of the Triple 8R on a 900rwhp Mustang where he did a third gear pull and dead hooked so I was confident. For my purposes I'm no convinced because I wotted it and it just went. No spin , just go. For giggles I pulled it in 2nd with the same result. I can't tell you how much power I'm making now, but it's a lot more than the 509 from before and alot more than the 10psi wastegate.
People talk about the longevity of the tire, or rain but seriously I have a spare set of 95% RE11's sitting on a spare set of Nismo wheels. Here's the video review I was watching. I felt it for myself.

https://youtu.be/piX4-AzxB2Q

Jinxx 12-13-2018 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 6mt370 (Post 3803654)
Who told you that the spring in the WG has to be close to what you're actually going to be putting out? I have had an 11psi spring on a single 44mm Tial WG in my Supra for years and on high boost it sees 30+psi. The car has never had any boost issues either. Boost control is absolutely perfect and has never over boosted once.

Your waste gate spring pressure should be where the wastegate opens at without any boost controlling devices ... 11lbs spring should yield ~11lbs boost .. of course you can increase it with controllers .. point was that you should know what spring/boost you are running before adding controllers especially if you are over boosting .... I would never use a boost controller to fight a over boost condition .. I would swap springs to lower than desired set point add a controller to increase as desired


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