Originally Posted by StillenZ (Post 435022)

not tryin to take up space....but agreed ^^^^... look at my sig though... damnit.

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 435111)

Soooo you want the GTM?

Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 434935)

Again, you're doing nothing constructive here and you are only trying to be offenseive. It's not warranted and hurts the370.com community.

Claiming that Stillen is using illegal business practices in the marketing of their product is not "questioning them." Your comments are unwarranted and what you're claiming is probably not provable, even if it were true.

After reading your posts throughout this thread, you'll probably want to debate me on my use of the word "illegal", but "illegitimate" is referring to parentage of offspring. To use "Illegitimate" in the business context, the synonym which most closely fits is "illegal." Cross reference a thesaurus if you don't believe me. The interpretation by attorneys in a slander suit would also use the same logic.

About your most recent comment about my signature "solving your mystery;" all you are trying to do is deflect the criticism back at someone else to avoid scrutiny. I could answer with reasons like, they were first to market or they offered a group buy, etc.. But, the truth still is that you are being rude to too many of the people on this forum for no valid reason. I really am surprised the administrators have allowed this behaviour and not deleted your posts. If every member took the same attitude that you do towards Kyle and the other members of the Stillen team, or even Sam at GTM for that matter, they would simply stop posting to this forum. Think about it just for a moment; if Kyle was getting verbally attacked and badgered by EVERY person, they wouldn't post here. They would find another forum or advertising outlet that was friendly to them and release their information there first. And honestly, there are other 370z forums out there that haven't done as well and would love to get exclusive updates on aftermarket projects. If we chase off people like Stillen, GTM and Altered Atmosphere and they start posting their breaking news to other sites and refuse to post here, we end up killing the site. So please, use your sarcasm for humor, not to insult. And if you are skeptical of someone's data, post a rhetorical question, like "why would they do that?" rather than a direct confrontation.

Thanks,

-Phim

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 434982)

The orange GT R is currently set up for Targa road rallies. We wanted to take the car on the track at Fontana but it had literally just come home about two days before the meet and was still set up in rally trim so it wouldn't have been very good. The shocks were too soft, the sway bar was too soft, the ride height was too tall...It would have been really slow.

The GT R racing in the Challenge series this year is going to be equipped with our coil overs, sway bars, and brake lines. We actually don't have anything to do with that car other than a parts supplier.

Steve really wants to continue with the Targa rallies which means the car will be traveling to New Zealand and Australia and a few other countries/events. As much as I'd like to make the GT R our Time Attack car, Steve wants to continue using it in the rallies.

If we're able to put together a Time Attack program we will be using a 370Z. We will probably start in the lower classes, then move to modified then eventually the hope would be to go to Unlimited. It really depends on development, money, and the driver.

Originally Posted by CinZinnati (Post 435616)

Just my two cents...and I say this to be positive. I want this thread to stay on track, but I think that it sucks that Kyle feels the need to apologize. IMO he is doing us a favor keeping us in the loop, even if only to a certain degree. Granted he is a salesman, but still....
However, I enjoy the heated debates. It shows enthusiasm and shows the knowledge of the forums members-from which I obtain a ton of info. Debates bring about knowledge (sounds corny) but true. Nothing wrong with heated exchanges but lets not get personal or we all miss out. A few pages back before it got personal there was some great info being thrown out because of differences of opinion, difference was it wasn't personal. I can't speak for Kyle or Josh, but I would think they also appreciate the debate and enthusiasm...but not the negativity. I like the thought of everyone being on the same page, even with different opinions.
If all this crap doesn't stop tho....I'm gonna start dvring my shows cause this is way more entertaining hehe

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 436125)

My last OT post in this thread...unless Kyle would like to continue talking racing. That I can do all day. :) CinZinnati, you bring up some very good points and I, too, hate the fact that some of this turned personal. That was never my intention and I accept my responsibility in returning fire when first fired upon. That said, I believe you do see the point of my posts...passing on my experiences and first-hand knowledge to those who come after me all the while trying to keep vendors honest.

I will say that I believe I have jumped on Kyle a bit too harshly for not posting the PSI, but in my own defense, it was too reminiscent of other forum members' past experiences with other vendors. Secrecy and false claims have led to other vendors' (VRT, SGP, RA, PF, etc.) fleecing the 350Z and G35 communities, so it struck a bit too close to home. Stillen is not amongst these vendors, so, admittedly, I should have treaded a bit more softly.

One thing I do want to state my opinion on is something that both you and Phim brought up - reasoning that Stillen, AAM, GTM and other vendors are somehow doing us a favor by posting on these boards. This is completely untrue. WE are their clientelle. We are the reason they are in business and why they develop aftermarket products. Posting tidbits of information and updates only serves to entice their market base. Without forum members reading their threads, updates, and marketing, their sales would dwindle drastically. Sure, we all love the updates, but the vendors NEED to post these more than we need to see them. Just food for thought.
BTW, the old addage of "any publicity is good publicity" remains true. I'm sure I've sealed the deal on a few kits...especially with the fanboys. You never know - Kyle may be paying me to post. :rofl2:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 436420)

...You were also right about smaller compressor housing producing torque earlier, but you failed to mention that the smaller housing is a huge limiting factor on hp. Upgrading compressors is a hell of a lot more money than changing a pulley and a map.

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 436446)

Mine personally?