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bimbimbop 06-27-2017 05:53 PM

New AAM TT Build
 
I am starting an AAM TT build over here in Korea. I have just bought some parts and have read through the forum for some time before my account was approved. Just wanted to get your thoughts on what I've purchased and see if the community can think of anything else that is a must have before I start my total install in August time frame.

AAM TT Kit upgraded to 1000CC injectors
AAM 3" True Dual exhaust
AAM Stage 4 clutch/flywheel
AAM R-line oil cooler
Heavy Duty CSC
EcuTek w/ 4 bar map sensor/advanced boost control programming/ launch control
Sparta Big brake kit front/back
Z1 Urethane Motor mounts
Z1 Urethane transmission mounts
Z1 Front diff bushing
Z1 Rear diff bushing
A/F, Oil pressure, boost gauge
A Pillar from Galeforce
KW V3 coilovers
Aeromotive 340 fuel pump
Sparta Big brake

Thanks

Bimbimbop

JSur 06-27-2017 06:02 PM

Save yourself the hassle and ditch the heavy duty CSC. Buy the Zspeed elimination kit. I have it on my car


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bimbimbop 06-27-2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JSur (Post 3668866)
Save yourself the hassle and ditch the heavy duty CSC. Buy the Zspeed elimination kit. I have it on my car


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I have thought abot this option before...still not convinced on it all the way..could be somthing that im just not familiar with that much though..ill look into it more..the race option i just read is intriguing though

JSur 06-27-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3668873)
I have thought abot this option before...still not convinced on it all the way..could be somthing that im just not familiar with that much though..ill look into it more..the race option i just read is intriguing though



Friend of mine had two HD kits fail and he's NA. The Z1 CSC. Elimination is a nice option but requires constant adjustment and that's what I just got rid of. I'm super happy with it so far. I have a very similar set up to you


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TBatt 06-28-2017 09:14 AM

The adjustment of the Z1 kit was a no go for me. A properly designed hydraulic system should not need adjusting. When was the last time you had to adjust your brakes????

My 1977 Fiat Spider has a cable clutch that needs adjusting about every 10K miles, but that is old technology.......

Jayhovah 06-28-2017 09:45 PM

The Zspeed HD CSC has been a reliable performer. No problems with mine.

jcosta79 06-28-2017 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3668873)
I have thought abot this option before...still not convinced on it all the way..could be somthing that im just not familiar with that much though..ill look into it more..the race option i just read is intriguing though

What you NEED is the ZSpeed CMAK.

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Nyght 06-29-2017 04:02 PM

Yeah, I have a Zspeed HD CSC no problems thus far!

shadow85 06-30-2017 01:25 AM

Man this build is almost identical to my mine except I went with FI 3" TT TDX CBE, and a CJM Fuel System.

I really want to replace the factory gauges to some real meaningful gauges but don't really want to spend another $1K on new gauges/sensors.

jchammond 06-30-2017 02:33 AM

Fuel system up-grade isn't on the list & CJM is a great choice;
be sure & go all stainless if you plan to tune E-85 or similar.
A nice air-air cooler & consider a good pair of oil catch can's (properly routed),
I've heard stories of sending boost to the crankcase....not good.

Nyght 06-30-2017 02:46 AM

I would highly suggest getting the CJM fuel top hat upgrade for your build. The stock top hat (plastic trash) is a terrible design and for sure will fail.


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bimbimbop 06-30-2017 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3669670)
Fuel system up-grade isn't on the list & CJM is a great choice;
be sure & go all stainless if you plan to tune E-85 or similar.
A nice air-air cooler & consider a good pair of oil catch can's (properly routed),
I've heard stories of sending boost to the crankcase....not good.

the TT kit comes with the High-Flow Walbro 255 Liter Per Hour Fuel Pump....is that going to be enough or were you thinking that I should upgrade that as well?

oil catch can is later down the line when I get the funds...have to much going on right now with the initial build

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Originally Posted by Nyght (Post 3669673)
I would highly suggest getting the CJM fuel top hat upgrade for your build. The stock top hat (plastic trash) is a terrible design and for sure will fail.


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I will be looking at this in the future..good catch

shadow85 06-30-2017 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3668864)
A/F, Oil pressure, boost gauge
A Pillar from Galeforce

Thanks

Bimbimbop

What brand/model gauges are you getting for these? And do you have to get any additional sensors?

Jayhovah 06-30-2017 02:47 PM

What are your power goals? Do you plan to go E85?

BOLIO 671 07-02-2017 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3669677)
the TT kit comes with the High-Flow Walbro 255 Liter Per Hour Fuel Pump....is that going to be enough or were you thinking that I should upgrade that as well?

oil catch can is later down the line when I get the funds...have to much going on right now with the initial build



I will be looking at this in the future..good catch

Depending on ur power goals the 255 may not be enough...especially if ur planning to run E85 that the Walbro 255 that comes with the kit won't cut it. With that fuel set up u will be limited. If u plan on upgrading ur fuel system then get with Charles at CJM.

As far as the HD CSC and CMAK I've used both...The CMAK was available when I first ordered from ZSPEED PERFORMANCE. as they came out with the CMAK later. After 2 yrs and upgrading to FI...my ACT SS clutch started to slip and couldn't hold. I ended upgrading my clutch and flywheel where the CMAK was offered. Let me say that when I pulled the HD CSC out it was worn and also took a beating. This is expected as its internal in the drive train and takes a lot of heat. If I reused it i wouldve had fo purchase a rebuild kit.

The CMAK design is on the exterior of the tranny for easier access and is cheaper to rebuild when changing clutches/flywheel combos. After 6 months and a few weekend runs at the drag strip the CMAK has performed like a champ.

bimbimbop 07-02-2017 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3669738)
What brand/model gauges are you getting for these? And do you have to get any additional sensors?

I went with the Tanabe revel and no other sensors were added

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah (Post 3669891)
What are your power goals? Do you plan to go E85?

Sadly I won't be able to go E85 out here in Korea. Ill only be able to use 98 premium as that is my only option without going to heavy in the pocket for E85. Gas prices are ridiculous in Korea to begin with

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Originally Posted by BOLIO 671 (Post 3670387)
Depending on ur power goals the 255 may not be enough...especially if ur planning to run E85 that the Walbro 255 that comes with the kit won't cut it. With that fuel set up u will be limited. If u plan on upgrading ur fuel system then get with Charles at CJM.

Im looking to be anywhere in the 550~ range..ill start with the 255 since it comes with the kit but I'm pretty sure I will have to upgrade to keep up with 1000cc injectors? I'm not sure what ill have to do as the kit originally comes with 600cc injectors..dont know if that is the correct terminology or not for fuel pumps

BOLIO 671 07-02-2017 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3670391)
I went with the Tanabe revel and no other sensors were added



Sadly I won't be able to go E85 out here in Korea. Ill only be able to use 98 premium as that is my only option without going to heavy in the pocket for E85. Gas prices are ridiculous in Korea to begin with



Im looking to be anywhere in the 550~ range..ill start with the 255 since it comes with the kit but I'm pretty sure I will have to upgrade to keep up with 1000cc injectors? I'm not sure what ill have to do as the kit originally comes with 600cc injectors..dont know if that is the correct terminology or not for fuel pumps

The 255 will push the 600cc injectors. What ur going to need is a return fuel system to help keep good pressure to the 1000cc injectors and make use of the injectors. Other than that the 255 won't be enough to push those 1000cc Injectors. Pulling out the pump and doing the mods for the bigger fuel pump.is the challenge.

As much as its a cost Fuel upgrades are an important part of the build and quest to power. I had to.learn this the hardway settling for what came with my kit and eventually upgrading later as my injectors duty cycle topped out due to the lack of pressure.

jchammond 07-02-2017 01:29 PM

Unsure how the octane is calculated in Korea; in the US (mon+ron)/2 is the formula here & 98 octane fuel should give you some solid boosted power!
I wish we had unleaded 98 in the pumps here.
Also, you'll burn less gasoline than being tuned w/e85.

Chuck33079 07-02-2017 01:40 PM

Overseas 98 is pretty close to our 93-94.

shadow85 07-02-2017 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3670391)
I went with the Tanabe revel and no other sensors were added

But don't you have to add sensors for the oil pressure and A/F, or are they already on the Z from factory?

And are you going to replace the factory gauges with the new ones. I.e. ripp the dash out?

bimbimbop 07-02-2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3670604)
But don't you have to add sensors for the oil pressure and A/F, or are they already on the Z from factory?

And are you going to replace the factory gauges with the new ones. I.e. ripp the dash out?

all the sensors and everything come when you buy the gauges...ill be ripping out the factory ones and installing the pillar I bought from galeforce on the forum

BOLIO 671 07-03-2017 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3670617)
all the sensors and everything come when you buy the gauges...ill be ripping out the factory ones and installing the pillar I bought from galeforce on the forum

Aftermarket gauges in the gauge pod on the dash look so Sik! I opted to keep mine for the use of the Hijack feature on the oil gauge for EcuTek.

bimbimbop 07-05-2017 03:27 AM

Any AAM TT owners with the stage 1 kit prefer the 600 or 1000CC injectors


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JSur 07-05-2017 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3671330)
Any AAM TT owners with the stage 1 kit prefer the 600 or 1000CC injectors


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Get the 1000cc. The extra wiggle room never hurts and if you ever decide to go e85 you won't have to upgrade. I have the 600 and will be upgrading to 1000 this fall.


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Elmo370z 07-05-2017 09:58 AM

I have ID 1050x injectors for sale fyi

JSur 07-05-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3671393)
I have ID 1050x injectors for sale fyi



New or used ?


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Jayhovah 07-05-2017 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3670391)
Im looking to be anywhere in the 550~ range..ill start with the 255 since it comes with the kit but I'm pretty sure I will have to upgrade to keep up with 1000cc injectors? I'm not sure what ill have to do as the kit originally comes with 600cc injectors..dont know if that is the correct terminology or not for fuel pumps

From my personal experience, you can get in the neighborhood of 550 with the 255 and 600cc injectors. That is exactly the setup I am running, and I maxed out on the dyno at 538whp.... which was tuned down to 520whp to allow for some margin of safety. Consider that I made those numbers at sea level and about 55 degrees Fahrenheit. Not sure what you will be working with in Korea.

What I would suggest to you, though - is to go for 850cc or 1000cc injectors and upgrade to the Aeromotive 340lph pump... This will easily get you to 550 and beyond with a much larger safety margin and room for upgrades in the future and it will never be less expensive to upgrade than now since you can forego the 600cc and 255lph completely.

550 is probably about as high as you want to go, though, without adding a return fuel system...which is also a recommended item for any FI build (though I am not running one personally).

Elmo370z 07-05-2017 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JSur (Post 3671400)
New or used ?


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bimbimbop 07-05-2017 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah (Post 3671424)
From my person experience, you can get in the neighborhood of 550 with the 255 and 600cc injectors. That is exactly the setup I am running, and I maxed out on the dyno at 538whp.... which was tuned down to 520whp to allow for some margin of safety. Consider that I made those numbers at sea level and about 55 degrees Fahrenheit. Not sure what you will be working with in Korea.

What I would suggest to you, though - is to go for 850cc or 1000cc injectors and upgrade to the Aeromotive 340lph pump... This will easily get you to 550 and beyond with a much larger safety margin and room for upgrades in the future and it will never be less expensive to upgrade than now since you can forego the 600cc and 255lph completely.

550 is probably about as high as you want to go, though, without adding a return fuel system...which is also a recommended item for any FI build (though I am not running one personally).

I am thinking of going with the CJM fuel return and upgrading to the walbro 450 while im at it...im looking to be right around 550+...thanks for the insight

for the aeromotive you are talking about this one from Z1 https://www.z1motorsports.com/fuel-s...ne-p-5289.html
cant do the E85 out in korea...that fuel costs to much to be running each time so staying on stock premium fuel for right now

im thinking the 450 might be overkill for just 550+

Jayhovah 07-05-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bimbimbop (Post 3671552)
I am thinking of going with the CJM fuel return and upgrading to the walbro 450 while im at it...im looking to be right around 550+...thanks for the insight

for the aeromotive you are talking about this one from Z1 https://www.z1motorsports.com/fuel-s...ne-p-5289.html
cant do the E85 out in korea...that fuel costs to much to be running each time so staying on stock premium fuel for right now

im thinking the 450 might be overkill for just 550+

You're on the right track here.

The 450 is way overkill for your goals. Overkill is fine, but the 450 is physically too large for the stock pump basket which will have to be significantly modified to accommodate it. The 340, on the other hand, will drop in just as easy as the 255 and will have no problems getting you to 550 on premium gas. The link you provided is the correct pump.

The CJM return system is a great addition. Contact him to finalize your fuel system plans. He is the most knowledgeable fuel guy in this community by far. I think he can sell you the Aeromotive pump as well and make sure you will have everything you'll need for the install to go smoothly.


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