Think you need to reread that! ;) It says "Former Sponsor".

I don't think you get the point. It's a new company under new ownership. Sam just happens to be an employee...

So if you commit a felony in a car then sell it to me. Should I be held responsible for your felonies because I bought the car from you? Would it be fair to put me in prison because I bought your getaway car?

This is the problem! A lot of you are in here making judgements on a company that so far is sending out kits at a massive loss to fix an issue that they didn't create... But because you all become emotional about it... Everyone should jump on the band wagon of burn the mother down??? I think not! You know what if you guys would actually call the place up talk to the manager and Sam show your invoices that you paid and negotiate with them you might get either a credit to your kit or your kit all together! But that would call for being level headed and calm. It would call for pushing out solutions to the company and bartering in order to get what you are owed.

But hey don't listen to the person giving you guys inside details and clarity on the situation... Don't listen to the guy who worked with Sam and GTM for over 5 years being the development test bed for a lot of products from the old GTM... Nope I never had daily and weekly conversations with Sam... Nope I didn't help countless members get what was rightfully owed them or help them find a path to resolution.

Stop blaming Gamma for the GTM failure... The only thing they share is the intellectual property that Sam sold them...

:rolleyes:

I actually do get your point. You have made your position on the matter quite clear. I just don't happen to agree with you :twocents: :tiphat:

I have plenty of responses to your post right there, but I'll just leave it at this: I don't have a dog in this fight, so my emotions are in check, I can assure you. I agree with the OP's point about overpriced kits, and I agree with Chuck here. The fact of the matter is that Gamma is tainted by their association with Sam and GTM. That means different things to different customers and potential customers.

This thread should remain open for any forum members to post their experiences in resolving or attempting to resolve any disputes they had with GTM and/or Gamma. You certainly fall into that category, so I respect your right to post about your experiences.

If you ALLOW the felon continue to drive your car after "he sold it to you" then yes you should be responsible. Which is what gamma is doing.

They're being blamed because Sam is still involved, what is so hard to get about that? He is involved, point blank. Who cares about how it has to go business wise and on paper.

Where are all the customers with these kits that they supposedly already shipped out? How come the only ones popping up are the ones with complaints?

One guy just posted that he bought his kit as recently as last year, he still has nothing. And the guy that took his money ( SAM ) is an active employee of Gamma, is he not ? Are they supposed to just believe he doesn't have a say in the business just because they say so? Then where did that money go ?

Not everyone is rolling in cash, losing 6 grand and being asked for 2 more grand is a kick in the gut for a lot of people. You can't blame people for getting emotional, they have every right too. Gamma should be trying to appease this, it's not all about being nice and clean on paper, they should be trying to earn the trust of the community.

Business wise Gamma may not be responsible, but MORALLY if they bought GTM's intellectual property with the knowledge of Sam's ********, and are attempting to get more money out of the customers Sam scammed then why should anyone trust them?

If they weren't asking for an additional $2000+ then I'm sure people wouldn't be as outraged as they are.

Get the kits to the guys who have been waiting and then maybe people would be more willing to believe.

These are just honest questions that a lot of people, some of whom are good friends of mine, deserve answers too before they can just trust that gamma will make good on new promises.

Damn they work fast.

that was quick!

I agree with bullitt5897 wholeheartedly. GammaMotors is getting treated unfairly due to their affiliation with Sam.

Sam is working for them and I know that burns deep in your core. I understand. But think rationally. What about hanging out with your friends and then you'll get pulled over and instead of the friend who committed the crime get apprehended but instead you'll got arrested due to being guilty by association. Is that fair for the friends to get arrested especially if they weren't aware of his action's.

I bought a TT Kit from GammaMotors this Summer fellas and paid them in increments via Paypal and CC. My Kit was delivered last week sometime. Everything arrived, all parts was there, nothing missing.

So Gamma is asking for more money from those that already order a kit from GTM so they can get the kit? That's really ****** up. I respect everyone's opinion yet still i don't get how there are some that still defend the guy and the company after all they have done. :shakes head::shakes head:

It's perfectly fair. And what makes you think they were unaware? I don't believe that for a second. They hired Sam knowing full well the situation he was in. This action in and of itself speaks volumes as to the type of management that Gamma has. IMO.

Glad they have treated at least one customer fairly :tiphat:

wait let me get this straight....so SAM from GTM went bankrupt and sold the business to GAMMA. And screwed some good people in the process..... Then later GAMMA hires SAM, and now the same kits sold under GTM that were never delivered, are now BY GAMMA asking for the extra money???

I guarantee the company who "purchased" them know what Sam has done and what he's about.

sam sucked at running a business so to keep it going he let someone who can run it step in. he's still there, he's still a part of it, kinda hard to move on with the "problem" still as part of the picture.

also you got a TT kit.....why does it say twin SC kit still? :stirthepot:

also I thought from what I read on the g37 forum they weren't even taking orders for the TT kit until October 5th? how did you receive one months ago?

I have no plans to go FI with any of my cars but if I did, I would not deal with GTM/Gamma. If Gamma is dumb enough to keep Sam on the payroll, be their public voice, have his name on the legal paperwork, &c, I don't expect them to remain solvent for very long. It just doesn't pass the sniff test. YMMV

GZ3 Let's be real here. GAMMAMOTORS isn't obligated nor responsible for the misdeed of GTM. There two separate entities.

But if Gamma opted to help out some folks then you have to give them credit but they are also at fault if they are seeking 2200 Extra from the past buyer.

I would let Sam know about that shi* today and that he needs to fix this gentleman's problem.

........like he did before? when GTM took a long list of people's pre-order money then never answered the phones, emails, etc...

:facepalm:

real gentleman.

FPenvy my profile not being updated is irrelevant bro. That is besides the point.

Keep Stirring the Pot. My question to you have you owe a Kit from GTM, were you a group buyer participant and were you impacted financially from these? Yes/No

Because I was, I just don't air mutherfcukers out. I handled my problem differently, Aight!

Lastly stop speaking without much validity, get the facts before you comment. Check my Built Thread on MyG37.com. Research my profile name. This is my 2nd Kit from Them. 1st was Twin SC (That is sold) next up TT Kit AWD G37.