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winnre 12-26-2013 10:50 AM

Start button takes its sweet time
 
I saw a car commercial and when the start button was pressed the car started right away. And when I use a key in my other cars the car starts right away. But not the Z.

It seems to think for a full second before the car actually starts to turn over. Why is this? Does it need to build up a charge or something? Why can't it start right away instead of waiting? Call me impatient. But that's what I want.

DEpointfive0 12-26-2013 11:21 AM

I don't have that problem

People that have the steering lock fuses puked say that there is an extra delay, but since you have a '14, you don't have that problem

NickTurnon 12-26-2013 11:22 AM

Mine used to take about a second to crank up. Battery was dieing.. Then I got a brand new $$ premium battery.. Now it fires up before I can blink.

Riptide67 12-26-2013 11:23 AM

If your car is manual, it could be he clutch pedal sensor.

Crayon 12-26-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide67 (Post 2625412)
If your car is manual, it could be he clutch pedal sensor.

Is there a way to reduce how far the clutch has to be in for this? I don't really bottom the clutch out while driving, and having do crank my foot all the way down to start the car is annoying.

winnre 12-26-2013 11:28 AM

It's an Auto.

Cmike2780 12-26-2013 11:34 AM

....because car commercials only run 30 seconds.

Greed 12-26-2013 11:39 AM

My 2009 auto does the same thing on start up: thut-thut-thut-thut-thut-thut-VROOM! I've had the car for 5 years and its always started like that. The manual I test drove did the exact same thing. Start up takes the same amount of time whether car is hot or cold. It's normal. Its just what they do.

Riptide67 12-26-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Crayon (Post 2625419)
Is there a way to reduce how far the clutch has to be in for this? I don't really bottom the clutch out while driving, and having do crank my foot all the way down to start the car is annoying.

There may be. I don't have to bury my clutch to get it started.

Z eliminator 12-26-2013 01:24 PM

My 2009 7 AT.does the same thing on start up.

gbrettin 12-26-2013 02:26 PM

My 7AT does the same thing.

kenchan 12-26-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2625431)
....because car commercials only run 30 seconds.

lol very true (15sec too). and the audio and video are usually recorded separately.

mults 12-26-2013 02:38 PM

There is not a direct connection between the starter button and the engine. The button is depressed and the signal goes to the computer. The computer then checks to see if everything is a "go" and then the signal is sent to the starter. After about one second, the car starts. Mine does this as well, so I don't think there is a problem or anything that you can do to speed up the process.

winnre 12-26-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mults (Post 2625714)
There is not a direct connection between the starter button and the engine. The button is depressed and the signal goes to the computer. The computer then checks to see if everything is a "go" and then the signal is sent to the starter. After about one second, the car starts. Mine does this as well, so I don't think there is a problem or anything that you can do to speed up the process.

So, the speed of light is too slow?

Crayon 12-26-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by winnre (Post 2625722)
So, the speed of light is too slow?

The car and your key-fob do an encrypted RFID handshake. This involves passing of public/private key pairs with known lists of "correct" challenge/response pairs. This involves quite a bit of back and forth between the key and the car, as well as range verification and such. This isn't the entirety of the extra time needed, but it's a chunk of it. I'm sure the rest is the ECU checking vital sensors/systems before startup.

It's a disadvantage to not having a physical key. With a physical key, you don't need encryption, as the key itself serves as the same layer of protection as the encryption. Thus, physical key = much faster.

6MT 12-26-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by winnre (Post 2625376)
I saw a car commercial and when the start button was pressed the car started right away. And when I use a key in my other cars the car starts right away. But not the Z.

It seems to think for a full second before the car actually starts to turn over. Why is this? Does it need to build up a charge or something? Why can't it start right away instead of waiting? Call me impatient. But that's what I want.

No way! ...... I want my money back!

Z-Girl 12 12-26-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greed (Post 2625436)
My 2009 auto does the same thing on start up: thut-thut-thut-thut-thut-thut-VROOM! I've had the car for 5 years and its always started like that. The manual I test drove did the exact same thing. Start up takes the same amount of time whether car is hot or cold. It's normal. Its just what they do.

Very comforting to know, my car has never in the blink of an eye cranked upon me pushing the button.

Gadgetech 12-26-2013 09:44 PM

I've actually let the clutch pedal out too soon before b/c the car hasn't finished cranking and have to start all over again. Not a big deal but something I've noticed.


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alcheng 12-27-2013 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winnre (Post 2625376)
I saw a car commercial and when the start button was pressed the car started right away. And when I use a key in my other cars the car starts right away. But not the Z.

It seems to think for a full second before the car actually starts to turn over. Why is this? Does it need to build up a charge or something? Why can't it start right away instead of waiting? Call me impatient. But that's what I want.

gosh...!!! we need a TBA from Nissan ASAP...!!!!



seriously... that one sec bothers you...??

you really need to go to the drive-thru that quickly..? :confused:

onzedge 12-27-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by alcheng (Post 2626283)
gosh...!!! we need a TBA from Nissan ASAP...!!!!



seriously... that one sec bothers you...??

you really need to go to the drive-thru that quickly..? :confused:

:icon17:

Haboob 12-27-2013 10:49 AM

No issues on mine, unless I let the clutch out too soon. Oops.

Justice97 12-27-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed (Post 2625436)
My 2009 auto does the same thing on start up: thut-thut-thut-thut-thut-thut-VROOM! I've had the car for 5 years and its always started like that. The manual I test drove did the exact same thing. Start up takes the same amount of time whether car is hot or cold. It's normal. Its just what they do.

That's a lot of thuts. I think mine has 2 maybe 3 thuts and a VROOM.
Manual, and I do have to bottom out the clutch.

Crayon 12-27-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Justice97 (Post 2626836)
That's a lot of thuts. I think mine has 2 maybe 3 thuts and a VROOM.
Manual, and I do have to bottom out the clutch.

I wonder if the clutch thing is an ECU thing that could be fixed or if it's some sort of mechanical switch.

TreeSemdyZee 12-27-2013 12:00 PM

I used to have this problem because I held the button down. Now I just give it a quick push and release and it fires right up.

SouthArk370Z 12-27-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crayon (Post 2626882)
I wonder if the clutch thing is an ECU thing that could be fixed or if it's some sort of mechanical switch.

There is a switch that is actuated by the pedal arm. Can't remember for sure if switch is wired to ECM or BCM. The FSM is your friend.

TheGreatOne 12-27-2013 12:49 PM

My delay is sparatic

For sure it depends on how long I hold down the clutch, some days I do it half azz and for sure thats when it takes longer

RonRizz 12-27-2013 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crayon (Post 2625765)
The car and your key-fob do an encrypted RFID handshake. This involves quite a bit of back and forth between the key and the car

Thus, physical key = much faster.


I agree. When I use my battery operated key on her, it takes longer than my physical key does.

TerribleONE 12-27-2013 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crayon (Post 2625419)
Is there a way to reduce how far the clutch has to be in for this? I don't really bottom the clutch out while driving, and having do crank my foot all the way down to start the car is annoying.

The things Z owners complain about.. This is something I have never even thought about. Love it.. LOL

diddy535 12-27-2013 08:09 PM

You going from a cold start, from the accessory or the on position? Which one did the commercial have, there is a difference

winnre 12-27-2013 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diddy535 (Post 2627469)
You going from a cold start, from the accessory or the on position? Which one did the commercial have, there is a difference

From cold start.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 2626909)
I used to have this problem because I held the button down. Now I just give it a quick push and release and it fires right up.

I'll try that tomorrow!

m4a1mustang 12-27-2013 11:22 PM

I don't feel like it's a full second delay, but the Z is definitely a little slower to start up than some of the other push button cars I've driven, including our Focus ST.

critical 12-28-2013 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2625406)
I don't have that problem

People that have the steering lock fuses puked say that there is an extra delay, but since you have a '14, you don't have that problem

sometimes mine keeps thinking for a second. i have my fuse pulled.

Firebase99 12-28-2013 03:23 AM

What is this "thut thut thut" sound? I have a '13 6 speed. Clutch buried, quick press and release, fires up. No other sound than an engine turning over.

mcphelps 12-28-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2627825)
What is this "thut thut thut" sound? I have a '13 6 speed. Clutch buried, quick press and release, fires up. No other sound than an engine turning over.

I think the "thut thut " is suppose to be the sound of the engine cranking. I don't think everyone is on the same page. Some are talking about how long the starter cranks before the engine fires up, and others are talking about how long it takes the starter to start cranking after pressing the start button.

TreeSemdyZee 01-04-2014 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winnre (Post 2627733)
From cold start.







I'll try that tomorrow!


Any luck?

winnre 01-04-2014 02:23 AM

Yup, now I just tap it and it seems to start faster. Maybe if I hold the button down the car questions what I am doing, haha.

phantom370z 01-04-2014 09:53 AM

Serious first world problems going on in this thread. :D Seriously though...it does start slower than some cars but is much faster if you just hold down the clutch and quickly press once and let go.

TreeSemdyZee 01-04-2014 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winnre (Post 2636661)
Yup, now I just tap it and it seems to start faster. Maybe if I hold the button down the car questions what I am doing, haha.

:tup:

Drakonis GTR 01-04-2014 12:02 PM

To be honest I think it's more of a Nissan thing. My mother's Altima had the Intelli-key, and her's took a sec before it would start cranking as well. I've had a few Chrysler rental cars with the push button that would start cranking as soon as you hit the button.

It does seem to start faster if you just push the button and release instead of holding it down. My issue is finding the one spot on the clutch that actually trips the sensor for starting. I'll get in, hold the clutch down, and hit the button, only to realize that it isn't down far enough. :(


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