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kenchan 07-18-2013 04:54 PM

it's a pdr tool that looks like a whale tail at the end. i use it mostly for tight space or to remove glue/sealants behind the doors, etc.

http://dkpdrtools.com/ebay_images/WTL8TIP_6000.jpg

darli328 07-18-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2409660)
it's a pdr tool that looks like a whale tail at the end. i use it mostly for tight space or to remove glue/sealants behind the doors, etc.

http://dkpdrtools.com/ebay_images/WTL8TIP_6000.jpg

Interesting, and thanks again!

darli328 07-18-2013 07:03 PM

Two ideas I had that probably won't work but wanted to see if anyone had some thoughts. Can the silver door hook be removed or is it welded on? Looks like it has special screws to me but I'm pretty much a noob here. If so, would that be a viable option to gain access to the rear panel area.
Also, what about the rubber/plastic trim just above the door handle and in front of the pretty much useless rear side window? Obviously I don't know much about PDR or how big the tools are. But, looks to me those plastic clips in question can be removed but I'm not sure if you can get access anywhere from there.

darli328 07-19-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2409597)
see service manual BRM page 32 rear fender hemming process.

then you'll see wat im talking about. you need to drill a small hole inside the wheel well to gain access. even if you remove the tail lamp you wont gain access, and even if you drilled the metal behind the tail lamp, you still wont gain access. :D

Tried searching for BRM service manual and/or service manual with no real luck. However I did find some links to buy a digital copy off of Nissan's website... I also skimmed through my owners manual to find anything on the area in question. I guess I'm just not ready to give up yep. Sorry, drilling in the fender well is something I don't want to do. I'm starting to wondering, is the area completely sealed? I would imagine there's an opening somewhere. And, thanks again for your patients with this.

DIGItonium 07-19-2013 01:18 PM

Both of my front fenders, rear quarter panel, trunk lid, and door were PDR'd. I should get the car back this Monday. I dropped by to peek at it in the paint booth, and it looks very good. The tech was able to fix the nasty hail damage on the body line of the fender.

kenchan 07-19-2013 01:20 PM

download the entire service manual here:

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-o...-download.html

then look at the BRM p32.

kenchan 07-19-2013 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2410822)
Both of my front fenders, rear quarter panel, trunk lid, and door were PDR'd. I should get the car back this Monday. I dropped by to peek at it in the paint booth, and it looks very good. The tech was able to fix the nasty hail damage on the body line of the fender.

digi-good to hear your car's coming along. :tup:

the front fender should be pretty easy as there's only the plastic liner to peel back. the rear quarter has a layer of metal that blocks access to the arch area so a bit more tricky to gain access. that's why darli's PDR guy couldn't fix his because darli does not want the tech to drill an access hole. :)

DIGItonium 07-19-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2410831)
digi-good to hear your car's coming along. :tup:

Thanks! I'm going crazy without the car. In fact, most of the dents weren't popped out, but the tech filled it in and sanded it down smooth. The fenders and roof were painted on the car, and the door was removed prior to painting.

darli328 07-20-2013 01:50 PM

Is there anywhere else to drill besides in the fender well? What about removing interior trim pieces? Someone mentioned behind the tail light might be an option...

KcL@AOI 07-21-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by darli328 (Post 2409593)
Do you have any experience with removing the tail light? Can you access the area in question from there? Seems kind of far, maybe 2 or more feet away.

Yea when there is a crease that sharp on the body line its pointless to glue pull, cause your gonna risk pinching the dent shut and thats gonna make it even harder to get out. On quarter panels theres no access unless its a bmw or mercedes cause they have secret plugs in the quarter well. Im about 99% sure that if you take out the tail light and stick a ultra thin whale tail you could easily get it out. Theres no access under trim or bumper. I would take the tailight out like i said before and stick a long ultra thin whale tail. if that doesnt work last resort is to beat the dent out. what i mean by this is to beat to the sides of the crease. of course its gonna make the dent bigger, but its also gonna make the dent less sharp. your basicly gonna make the dent more shallow and soft do you can stick a glue tab on it and pull it up. theres no way to just stick a glue tab on that sharp of a dent.

this is the company i work for, its just me and my boss.
heres the link if you want to take a look at some of our work.

Welcome to Dentmagix

heres a pic of a ultra thin whale tail.
uk/d21.htmlhttp://denttoolcompany.nl/contents/en-uk/d21.html

its long so you can stick it right through the tail light hole with nothing in your way. make sure he tries with the tail light out. sometimes i get lazy myself and try and do it with the tail light in, takes twice as long and doesn't come out perfect.

Sorry for the response!

KcL@AOI 07-21-2013 09:13 AM

http://denttoolcompany.nl/contents/m...h%20uwt-30.png

darli328 07-21-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KcL@AOI (Post 2412400)
Yea when there is a crease that sharp on the body line its pointless to glue pull, cause your gonna risk pinching the dent shut and thats gonna make it even harder to get out. On quarter panels theres no access unless its a bmw or mercedes cause they have secret plugs in the quarter well. Im about 99% sure that if you take out the tail light and stick a ultra thin whale tail you could easily get it out. Theres no access under trim or bumper. I would take the tailight out like i said before and stick a long ultra thin whale tail. if that doesnt work last resort is to beat the dent out. what i mean by this is to beat to the sides of the crease. of course its gonna make the dent bigger, but its also gonna make the dent less sharp. your basicly gonna make the dent more shallow and soft do you can stick a glue tab on it and pull it up. theres no way to just stick a glue tab on that sharp of a dent.

this is the company i work for, its just me and my boss.
heres the link if you want to take a look at some of our work.

Welcome to Dentmagix

heres a pic of a ultra thin whale tail.
uk/d21.htmlhttp://denttoolcompany.nl/contents/en-uk/d21.html

its long so you can stick it right through the tail light hole with nothing in your way. make sure he tries with the tail light out. sometimes i get lazy myself and try and do it with the tail light in, takes twice as long and doesn't come out perfect.

Sorry for the response!

Thanks so much for the response, I'll talk with my tech tomorrow and see what he says.

darli328 07-21-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KcL@AOI (Post 2412400)
Yea when there is a crease that sharp on the body line its pointless to glue pull, cause your gonna risk pinching the dent shut and thats gonna make it even harder to get out. On quarter panels theres no access unless its a bmw or mercedes cause they have secret plugs in the quarter well. Im about 99% sure that if you take out the tail light and stick a ultra thin whale tail you could easily get it out. Theres no access under trim or bumper. I would take the tailight out like i said before and stick a long ultra thin whale tail. if that doesnt work last resort is to beat the dent out. what i mean by this is to beat to the sides of the crease. of course its gonna make the dent bigger, but its also gonna make the dent less sharp. your basicly gonna make the dent more shallow and soft do you can stick a glue tab on it and pull it up. theres no way to just stick a glue tab on that sharp of a dent.

this is the company i work for, its just me and my boss.
heres the link if you want to take a look at some of our work.

Welcome to Dentmagix

heres a pic of a ultra thin whale tail.
uk/d21.htmlhttp://denttoolcompany.nl/contents/en-uk/d21.html

its long so you can stick it right through the tail light hole with nothing in your way. make sure he tries with the tail light out. sometimes i get lazy myself and try and do it with the tail light in, takes twice as long and doesn't come out perfect.

Sorry for the response!

I did some searching on tail light removal. Got a lot of info off this thread.

http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...p-install.html

Does it look like there is a big enough access hole behind the tail light to get to my dent? I see a few small potential access holes, just not sure if that's good enough for my situation.

darli328 07-31-2013 07:09 PM

Incase anyone's curious. Went to a body shop today. They managed to get the dent out without drilling by removing the interior truck pieces. The results aren't perfect. I'd say 90-95% of the dent is gone, not too bad all things considered. But, it is possible to gain access to the metal behind the rear quarter panel through the trunk. Thanks again for everyone's help.

kenchan 07-31-2013 07:38 PM

Just over the weekend my G35C got hit by a rock or something dented the hood about 2" inward. I used the tab holes to gain access to get about 90% out. Then enlarged the hole using a metal cutting dremel to get the last 10% out.

That is the difference between good and great work. :D

If you let the shop drill you can get the rest of it out.


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