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Masterbeatty 06-28-2013 07:27 PM

Functional Rear Diffuser
 
I have been researching around for a functional rear diffuser, Nothing for our cars. I have decided to start designing one myself.

Question 1: Since i do not have a wind tunnel in my back yard i was wondering if getting a scale model and making a mini tunnel and doing tests with that to see if it will work well is a worth while idea?

2: I know for it to work the way it is designed a spoiler is also needed. the APR starts to add downforce around 40 MPH, so i was thinking about getting that and using a diffuser to futher create a suction force under neath. has anyone used this particular spoiler first hand and noticed better handling?

3: Does anyone have a home made FUNCTIONAL rear diffuser and would help me make one of my own?

4: Should i even bother?

The reason i want one is because i plan on racing next year. I want the most out of my N/A car and use aerodynamics to my advantage. Also since i work with FRP/ CF and have lots of spare time i can possibly make a few more for those that would want one.

Thanks

DR_ 06-28-2013 07:31 PM

Unless you have significant track experience I vote why bother?

synolimit 06-28-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_ (Post 2384563)
Unless you have significant track experience I vote why bother?

Cause it looks bad azz :)

MX52Z 06-28-2013 10:29 PM

Seriously, for the mortal human, a rear diffuser will not make a difference in performance, just looks.

jcosta79 06-28-2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2384768)
Cause it looks bad azz :)

:facepalm:

jcosta79 06-28-2013 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterbeatty (Post 2384560)
I have been researching around for a functional rear diffuser, Nothing for our cars. I have decided to start designing one myself.

Question 1: Since i do not have a wind tunnel in my back yard i was wondering if getting a scale model and making a mini tunnel and doing tests with that to see if it will work well is a worth while idea?

2: I know for it to work the way it is designed a spoiler is also needed. the APR starts to add downforce around 40 MPH, so i was thinking about getting that and using a diffuser to futher create a suction force under neath. has anyone used this particular spoiler first hand and noticed better handling?

3: Does anyone have a home made FUNCTIONAL rear diffuser and would help me make one of my own?

4: Should i even bother?

The reason i want one is because i plan on racing next year. I want the most out of my N/A car and use aerodynamics to my advantage. Also since i work with FRP/ CF and have lots of spare time i can possibly make a few more for those that would want one.

Thanks

If you're serious about racing and adding real downforce, I would start with getting a real wing and mounting it to the frame (not the trunk lid) of the car.

Of course once you do that, to balance the car you are going to need a functioning front splitter; again mounted to the frame so that it doesn't pull off your bodywork once it starts creating real downforce.

Don't focus on how much downforce you are generating (at least at first anyway), worry about overall aero balance and how it affects the handling of the car. In other words, don't put a huge wing and rear diffuser on the car and then neglect the front of the car. The car will handle like *** if you do.

Minato 06-28-2013 11:01 PM

ecomodder.com has a lot of excellent aerodynamic readings. Their main goal is to reduce drag. For the most part, you do not want a sharp angle of attack, otherwise you are going to get highly turbulent flow. The airflow is most likely detached and turbulent at speed by the time it gets to the rear of the underside of the Z anyway since it has no flat paneling on the bottom. You might have luck getting partially reattached flow with a mild angle of attack, starting parallel and increasing to ~10 degrees. Essentially anything that decreases turbulence underneath the car is going to generate a downward force that will counteract any lifting.

Masterbeatty 06-29-2013 09:15 AM

I was thinking about starting With doing a flat bottom. Either aluminum or FRP. From splitter and then the diffuser FRP with a hinge to adjust angle for testing. I need to find out our coefficient of drag because I found a equation to use for the angle of the diffuser. But also switching to the evo-r mirrors will help too. Less drag on those. I see this being a long process.

takjak2 06-30-2013 07:59 AM

Flat bottom is indeed the next step after big wing and front splitter.

CfD for sport package is 0.29

Masterbeatty 07-01-2013 01:16 PM

Since i have truely stared researching this. I have come down to this.
Raise my car up this week and make templates for a falt bottom and possibly for a diffuser. I dont know weather to get the stillen front splitter or a generic one out of CF with adjustabe links. But home depot sells aluminum sheeting for roofing that are almost the perfect size for this so maybe i will start from there and then onto FRP or CF depending how deep i want to dig in my wallet.

Thanks TAKJAk for the Cfd. that helps.

kenchan 07-01-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterbeatty (Post 2387482)
Since i have truely stared researching this. I have come down to this. USE CARDBOARD! :tup:

:ugh2:

gomer_110 07-01-2013 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterbeatty (Post 2387482)
Since i have truely stared researching this. I have come down to this.
Raise my car up this week and make templates for a falt bottom and possibly for a diffuser. I dont know weather to get the stillen front splitter or a generic one out of CF with adjustabe links. But home depot sells aluminum sheeting for roofing that are almost the perfect size for this so maybe i will start from there and then onto FRP or CF depending how deep i want to dig in my wallet.

Thanks TAKJAk for the Cfd. that helps.

Might want to look into Dibond. A lot of my fast local AutoX guys are using dibond for splitters with a lot of success.

Masterbeatty 07-01-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 2387503)
Might want to look into Dibond. A lot of my fast local AutoX guys are using dibond for splitters with a lot of success.

Damn good find. i just looked at that stuff and it is just what i was looking for this project. Thanks:tiphat:

ResIpsa 07-01-2013 03:50 PM

I Have Fabricated One
 
Here is the diffuser I fabricated out of aluminum and fiberglass. It is around 9 lbs.

http://www.the370z.com/members/resip...diffuser-1.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/resip...-explained.png

Masterbeatty 07-01-2013 03:55 PM

what angle did you use? i was thinking 6-8 degrees based on our CFD. Also did you make a flat bottom and front splitter?

ResIpsa do you have more pics or specs?


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