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Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 07:54 PM

replaced odometer
 
Hey guys... I'm new to the forums as I just bought my 370 last week. I already had an issue and I figured I would run it past you guys to see what you guys think. I bought an 09 with 5200 miles (and got a DAMN good deal fyi). Well from day 1 I noticed that when I turn my lights, the back light to the radio and climate control knobs wouldn't work. So I took it to the dealership and they ordered a new gauge cluster and determined it was caused by a company they outsource to for alarm systems (one of those upsell items when you buy the car). So they ordered the new gauge cluster with 5998 miles but when I went in to the dealership today to get it installed, I had 6362 on my odometer. So I got my car back with less miles (per the odometer) than it went in with. The service manager said it is perfectly fine and not to worry about the difference in miles. Any of you out there work for Nissan and can vouch? I've just always heard that changes in the odometer are no good, but the dealership ensured me that these changes are acceptable and documented with Nissan motor company. Is 300 miles no big deal? I'm having an OCD moment about it...

Thanks

Bob

Vegasboricua 04-01-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477230)
Hey guys... I'm new to the forums as I just bought my 370 last week. I already had an issue and I figured I would run it past you guys to see what you guys think. I bought an 09 with 5200 miles (and got a DAMN good deal fyi). Well from day 1 I noticed that when I turn my lights, the back light to the radio and climate control knobs wouldn't work. So I took it to the dealership and they ordered a new gauge cluster and determined it was caused by a company they outsource to for alarm systems (one of those upsell items when you buy the car). So they ordered the new gauge cluster with 5998 miles but when I went in to the dealership today to get it installed, I had 6362 on my odometer. So I got my car back with less miles (per the odometer) than it went in with. The service manager said it is perfectly fine and not to worry about the difference in miles. Any of you out there work for Nissan and can vouch? I've just always heard that changes in the odometer are no good, but the dealership ensured me that these changes are acceptable and documented with Nissan motor company. Is 300 miles no big deal? I'm having an OCD moment about it...

Thanks

Bob


:facepalm: please tell me this is April fools.....because this is pretty crazy..Nissan always docs the mileage when you first arrive so they should know something is def up.

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 08:35 PM

Vegas,

I think I explained what happened wrong. The dealership has to report a specific mileage to Nissan for the new odometer, so the dealership said to program it with 5998 (asumming I'd be close to that number... make sense?). The problem is that when I got to the dealership, I had 6363, not 5998. So my new odometer is essentially 300 some odd miles less. The dealership knows the mileage is less. They told me its ok. The problem is I didn't leave my car at the shop while the part was enroute, so they had to guess how many miles I'd put on the car in a week. Apparently the only way to get a new odometer programmed is by Nissan themselves. So my question, is this really ok like the Nissan says it is?

Prosport Gauges 04-01-2010 08:49 PM

Who cares! you win

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_west06 (Post 477317)
Who cares! you win

I was thinking the same thing, but I was getting kinda OCD over it. I would assume it since Nissan installed it, and it was only 300 miles less, it would be ok. I was just always under the assumption that you don't ever change the odometer reading. Granted, those things are all digital and run by computer these days, and I'm sure that rule applies to people cracking the old odometers and rolling them back 30k miles...

Just trying to get the perspective of others and see what fellow Z drivers had to say... there is always more knowledge out there than I possess

SoCal 370Z 04-01-2010 09:27 PM

California DMV law requires the following:

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5.060
Odometer Replacement or Conversion (CVC §28053)
An odometer may be serviced, repaired, or replaced. The odometer must reflect the same mileage after the replacement, service or repair as it did prior.
  • However, if the odometer is incapable of registering the same mileage, the odometer must be adjusted to zero miles, and a notice in writing must be attached to the left door frame of the vehicle by the person performing the service, repair, or replacement, specifying the mileage prior to the service, etc. and the date on which it was completed.
  • The odometer disclosure for a vehicle that has had its odometer replaced or converted from kilometers to miles cannot reflect the “actual mileage” unless a Statement of Facts (REG 256) from the party who replaced/converted the odometer with all of the following information is submitted with the application:
— The date the odometer was replaced/converted.
— The old mileage/kilometer reading at the time of replacement
— The new mileage reading at the time of replacement


ODOMETER MILEAGE REPORTING VEHICLE INDUSTRY REGISTRATION PROCEDURES

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 10:00 PM

SoCal,

Thats what I thought... looks like i get to go back to them and MAKE them do it again... because there is no way I'm driving a car with a wrong odometer...

Mize 04-01-2010 10:13 PM

At best your car is not a "TMU" - meaning true mileage unknown. This kills resale.

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mize (Post 477455)
At best your car is not a "TMU" - meaning true mileage unknown. This kills resale.

True miles are known... and I'm going to make she it indicates such... is that the concensus I'm getting?

ChrisSlicks 04-01-2010 10:48 PM

The dealer can't program it. They would have to remove it, park your car, and sent it back to Nissan for reprogramming.

For 300 miles I wouldn't sweat it, no one is going to make a big deal over it.

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 10:56 PM

But California law says it must match... and if it can't, then it needs to be labeled as such... and i refuse to have a car with such a label... they can fix it

ChrisSlicks 04-01-2010 11:01 PM

It's not 30000 miles or 3000 miles it's 300 miles, your making a big deal out of a small one.

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 11:13 PM

I agree that 300 isnt as bad as it could be, but in my opinion, they should match. If you bought a car and found it the miles didnt match, you would be ok with it? even if it was just 300 miles?

Zsteve 04-01-2010 11:13 PM

The point is who knows what your milage was but you and the service rep. There are no services with a milage that will prove otherwise so I wouldnt worry about it. A couple hundred miles isnt gonna matter.

Zsteve 04-01-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477498)
I agree that 300 isnt as bad as it could be, but in my opinion, they should match. If you bought a car and found it the miles didnt match, you would be ok with it? even if it was just 300 miles?

there is no documentation to show its off.

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 11:15 PM

Then why have a law?

Zsteve 04-01-2010 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477505)
Then why have a law?

for when there is documentation stating the difference in milage. If you had a service done and they had the original milage then they replaced the odometer with the lower milage then you would want to correct it as there is documentation stating a difference.

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 11:21 PM

Right... but I know the mileage going in... So according to what you said, I should have it changed... There was no documentation given to me saying it was changed, just a service manager that said it was ok

Zsteve 04-01-2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477510)
Right... but I know the mileage going in... So according to what you said, I should have it changed... There was no documentation given to me saying it was changed, just a service manager that said it was ok

yes YOU know it but if you were to trade the car in NO ONE else would know it as there is no documentation anywhere to prove otherwise. Now you can go in and have them fix it if that gives you piece of mind but thats more time for them on your car to F things up.

rsximus 04-01-2010 11:24 PM

Someone is going to prison in the end for odometer fraud. :stirthepot:

Zsteve 04-01-2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rsximus (Post 477513)
Someone is going to prison in the end for odometer fraud. :stirthepot:

It wont be me mine is fine.:stirthepot:

SoCal 370Z 04-01-2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477505)
Then why have a law?

I wouldn't give a second thought about the mileage difference—nobody else is! Enjoy your Z, life is short! :driving:

AK370Z 04-01-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 477519)
I wouldn't give a second thought about the mileage difference—nobody else is! Enjoy your Z, life is short! :driving:

:iagree: it's ONLY 300 miles. Also, as long as your dealer kept the mileage same in all their documents (during this job), it won't show up on carfax.

Zsteve 04-01-2010 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 477521)
:iagree: it's ONLY 300 miles. Also, as long as your dealer kept the mileage same in all their documents (during this job), it won't show up on carfax.

But he is OCD. HE knows the diff.

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 11:35 PM

well... call it a guilty conscience... I know its wrong, and thats bad enough.

Zsteve 04-01-2010 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477525)
well... call it a guilty conscience... I know its wrong, and thats bad enough.

Have you ever speed in your car? Did you go tell the police to give you a ticket?

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 11:48 PM

Sorry if I'm making a big deal over nothing... this just seems like its one of those things that shouldn't be messed up. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable buying a car knowing the odometer was wrong, regardless of the amount it was off (and I know I'm the only one who knows... I guess its integrity getting the best of me, I just don't want to deal with that, even IF it were to become and issue for some odd reason).

SoCal,
Why post what the law says, and then turn around and tell me not to worry about the difference in mileage?

Mike@Blackline 04-01-2010 11:49 PM

your posts are confusing because you say 300 less, but from the OP it sounds like you went in with 59xx miles and got it back with 63xx. thats 300 MORE

so which is it

Volcom370Z 04-01-2010 11:52 PM

I went in today with 6362... but the new odometer only read 5998. that would be 300 LESS

SoCal 370Z 04-01-2010 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477525)
well... call it a guilty conscience... I know its wrong, and thats bad enough.

The "dealership" imposes guilt upon you, and you feel bad about it? C'mon, screw-it and forget about it. This is not like you are hiding structural damage for the next prospective buyer that could mean a life-safety issue. Sue the dealership for psychological damages...the bastards have ruined your life! ;)

Zsteve 04-02-2010 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477535)
Sorry if I'm making a big deal over nothing... this just seems like its one of those things that shouldn't be messed up. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable buying a car knowing the odometer was wrong, regardless of the amount it was off (and I know I'm the only one who knows... I guess its integrity getting the best of me, I just don't want to deal with that, even IF it were to become and issue for some odd reason).

SoCal,
Why post what the law says, and then turn around and tell me not to worry about the difference in mileage?

You wouldnt know its wrong cuz there is no proof its wrong. You would be surprised to know all the things that were done illegally to cars you may have bought but never knew about, especially used ones. But if you have integrity, all the time i assuming as you make it sound so, then fix it.

Zsteve 04-02-2010 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 477540)
The "dealership" imposes guilt upon you, and you feel bad about it? C'mon, screw-it and forget about it. This is not like you are hiding structural damage for the next prospective buyer that could mean a life-safety issue. Sue the dealership for psychological damages...the bastards have ruined your life! ;)

And now he has ruined mine, can I then turn around a sue him? And come to think oh it Tiger has ruined my life too, Im sueing him too. I have nightmares from all the media coverage over his affairs. And Jesse James too, the bastards.

SoCal 370Z 04-02-2010 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477535)
SoCal,
Why post what the law says, and then turn around and tell me not to worry about the difference in mileage?

Because you were asking.

If you want to see someone "really" breaking the law, just take a walk along Wall Street! You obviously have paperwork stating they replaced the odometer, simply show that to a prospective owner; it will also be in Nissan's database regarding your Z.

Volcom370Z 04-02-2010 12:38 AM

Well... thank you for the input. Sorry if I've been making a big deal over nothing. I'm just a little anal over the new toy.

Mike@Blackline 04-02-2010 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477537)
I went in today with 6362... but the new odometer only read 5998. that would be 300 LESS

ok hmm well sounds like there was just a programming error at the factory, or just a wrong number written down on the order sheet. as long as the miles are racking up correctly now, just look at it as a 300 mile warranty extension :happydance:

IDZRVIT 04-02-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Volcom370Z (Post 477537)
I went in today with 6362... but the new odometer only read 5998. that would be 300 LESS

It's actually 364 in the difference. That is way over 300. Don't drive the car for 64 miles and you'll be OK.

Kyle@STILLEN 04-02-2010 10:32 AM

Just to put it into perspective. Look at every lifted truck you see in california. Those vehicle's come from the factory with speedometers which are calibrated to their O.E. tire sizes, O.E. differential gearing, and O.E. transmission gearing. You can pretty much guarantee that 95% of the lifted trucks rolling around in California have not been re-geared or re-calibrated to compensate for their larger tires...Those trucks are actually doing more milage than the odometer is reading. No one cares about it though.

I think you're fine.

Zsteve 04-02-2010 10:51 AM

I know we are kinda giving you a hard time, part in fun, part in seriousness, as you asked for our opinions and now you are arguing our advice when you wanted it. Take what we say, make you decision and do what you want but dont be mad cuz we tell you something you dont like. Peace out.


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