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brainrain 09-18-2020 04:35 AM

open gas door without battery ( or keyfob problem)
 
Hi everybody,

I want to know if it is possible to open gas door without battery or keyfob problem for unlock door.

on manual, I read this :

. Insert the mechanical key into the door lock
cylinder and turn it to the rear of the vehicle.

But when I use mechanical key, I just unlock the drive side door.

any ideas please ?

Thank you

madwi 09-18-2020 05:44 AM

Huh, does the gas door not just pop open when you press on the side closest to the rear of the vehicle?

brainrain 09-18-2020 05:48 AM

open gas door without battery ( or keyfob problem)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by madwi (Post 3960450)
Huh, does the gas door not just pop open when you press on the side closest to the rear of the vehicle?


Nop, it’s doesn’t work.

TacoSport10 09-18-2020 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3960451)
Nop, it’s doesn’t work.

From what I know is that the car just has to be unlocked. Doesn't matter if you unlock it by remote button or by mechanical key. If the car is unlocked, you should be able to push the gas door in and have it pop open.

brainrain 09-18-2020 12:29 PM

open gas door without battery ( or keyfob problem)
 
it's very weird, when the key fob was working I had no problem. Since the problem with keyfob, I can’t open gas door


https://youtu.be/kYoVplqnO6w

You can see from 2 min 27 sec

TacoSport10 09-19-2020 12:42 PM

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Looks like you have to unlock with key fob on you and button on door handle, key fob itself, or the unlock button inside the car. Looked like in your video it should have worked when you got in and unlocked. Very strange. I went to try mine but quickly realized I had the CF door handle covers so I can’t simulate.

jchammond 09-19-2020 01:08 PM

Try turning key once towards rear of vehicle (unlocks driver door) let it return to neutral & turn a second time towards rear & that should unlock errthing else :ugh2:

JARblue 09-19-2020 01:21 PM

The gas door locks and unlocks with the rest of the car (similar to the hatch). If you can unlock the car then the gas lid should be unlocked unless the pin is stuck. I'd try JC's suggestion above, but if you can't unlock the passenger door and hatch because the battery is dead then you'll need to replace the battery to get in the gas lid.

brainrain 09-19-2020 02:31 PM

open gas door without battery ( or keyfob problem)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3960788)
Try turning key once towards rear of vehicle (unlocks driver door) let it return to neutral & turn a second time towards rear & that should unlock errthing else :ugh2:


Thanks all for your response :)

I have a problem with my keyfob for unlock/door. I use fobgina for start the engine.

The button inside the car doesn’t work ( maybe because of my keyfob problem ? )

I already try this ( to turn a second time the key manually) and it doesn’t unlock passenger door and gas door...


I am very disappointed with this car :(

cooltoy 09-19-2020 03:06 PM

How about letting your local Nissan dealer help you?

brainrain 09-19-2020 04:18 PM

open gas door without battery ( or keyfob problem)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3960810)
How about letting your local Nissan dealer help you?


I will try it next week, but in France Nissan haven’t knowledge on Nissan 370Z and GTR. We haven’t lots of sports cars.... ( most of sports cars from German brand )
The US is a paradise for sports cars.
You are lucky :)

cooltoy 09-19-2020 05:18 PM

I’m not in US.

Isn’t it their job to know their cars? Or at least get help from someone who does.

brainrain 09-20-2020 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3960828)
I’m not in US.

Isn’t it their job to know their cars? Or at least get help from someone who does.

They only do the maintenance of the car (change oil, filters etc.).
for other problems, they are not competent.

I run daily with Mercedes E klass (diesel), when I have a electronic problem I'm not going to MErcedes dealer but at a specialist Mercedes garage. We haven't the same for japanese car.

You're from Canada :), it's the same as US, I have already been to Toronto. I see lot's of japanese car (Nissan Z, GTR, Evo, S2000 etc) cars that I have never seen in France except in gran turismo or need for speed :rofl2:

jchammond 09-20-2020 03:57 AM

Do your other doors unlock?
Passenger, rear hatch?

jchammond 09-20-2020 04:03 AM

I know you had another thread about your key fobs or intelligence keys?
I haven’t researched how they transmit signals, but there are some items that causes interference with them.

brainrain 09-20-2020 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3960965)
Do your other doors unlock?
Passenger, rear hatch?


No :( Just driver side


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

brainrain 09-20-2020 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3960966)
I know you had another thread about your key fobs or intelligence keys?
I haven’t researched how they transmit signals, but there are some items that causes interference with them.


I already tested in another area, the problem is still present

jchammond 09-20-2020 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3960968)
I already tested in another area, the problem is still present

After you get inside drivers compartment, can you push the unlock button on the interior latch and unlock other doors?

brainrain 09-20-2020 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3960969)
After you get inside drivers compartment, can you push the unlock button on the interior latch and unlock other doors?

it doesn't work. According to the manual, this button only works when the key fob is detected :confused:

-ZS-Carpenter 09-20-2020 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3960817)
I will try it next week, but in France Nissan haven’t knowledge on Nissan 370Z and GTR. We haven’t lots of sports cars.... ( most of sports cars from German brand )
The US is a paradise for sports cars.
You are lucky :)

It doesn't matter that it's a Z. Just that it's a Nissan. All the keys are the same other than the logo or extra buttons. If the tech can fix the keys on a Sentra they can do the same on a Z. :twocents:

Have you checked the fuses? I'm not sure if the locks have a fuse or not but it would be worth checking.

brainrain 09-20-2020 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter (Post 3960983)
It doesn't matter that it's a Z. Just that it's a Nissan. All the keys are the same other than the logo or extra buttons. If the tech can fix the keys on a Sentra they can do the same on a Z. :twocents:

Have you checked the fuses? I'm not sure if the locks have a fuse or not but it would be worth checking.


I agree with you. Maybe I need to go another Nissan dealer. I try it Tuesday ( I don't have a lot of gasoline in the tank :O )

I did some research and couldn't find a fuse for it.

cooltoy 09-20-2020 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3960962)

You're from Canada :), it's the same as US,


And France is the same as Italy.

SouthArk370Z 09-20-2020 10:49 AM

It sounds like you have a problem with the security system (fob, antenna, electronics, etc) and the car is not going into "unlocked" mode. You may be able to put the fob into the fobgina and get the fuel door to open (may have to put car in On mode). IIRC, there is also a button in the cabin for opening the fuel door (but it's been a while since I owned a Z).

The FSM will be your best source of information - although the parts on security tend to be vague. Link to FSM in my sig.

brainrain 09-20-2020 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3961018)
And France is the same as Italy.

I meant you had the same types of cars (powerful cars).

And yes, in france and in italy, we have the same types of cars (low power cars)

Sorry my English is not good :confused:

brainrain 09-20-2020 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3961020)
It sounds like you have a problem with the security system (fob, antenna, electronics, etc) and the car is not going into "unlocked" mode. You may be able to put the fob into the fobgina and get the fuel door to open (may have to put car in On mode). IIRC, there is also a button in the cabin for opening the fuel door (but it's been a while since I owned a Z).


The FSM will be your best source of information - although the parts on security tend to be vague. Link to FSM in my sig.


There is no button for fuel door :/

It's doesn't work when I put car in ON mode. I will check with FSM.

I go to Nissan next Tuesday :)

cv129 09-20-2020 02:08 PM

Got curious, here is what I found trying this out in my garage.

On my 09 (no navigation, no center screen), the physical key only unlocked one door at a time.

On wife’s 16 (tech pkg) and 2010 G37 (navigation), physical key defaults to unlock all doors. For the G37, with car in “on” position, pressed “other”, then “comfort”, option to turn on/off the (forgot exact wording) “one touch lock/unlock”. That changes whether lock/unlock all at the same time.

You have a GT, I assume it has navigation/screen in the middle. Maybe give this a try. .

brainrain 09-20-2020 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3961035)
Got curious, here is what I found trying this out in my garage.

On my 09 (no navigation, no center screen), the physical key only unlocked one door at a time.

On wife’s 16 (tech pkg) and 2010 G37 (navigation), physical key defaults to unlock all doors. For the G37, with car in “on” position, pressed “other”, then “comfort”, option to turn on/off the (forgot exact wording) “one touch lock/unlock”. That changes whether lock/unlock all at the same time.

You have a GT, I assume it has navigation/screen in the middle. Maybe give this a try. .


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e9513e8018.jpg
According to the manual, there is an option comfort but I have only language, voice recor and image viewer :/

Maybe it’s only for North America ?

cv129 09-20-2020 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3961054)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e9513e8018.jpg
According to the manual, there is an option comfort but I have only language, voice recor and image viewer :/

Maybe it’s only for North America ?

Bottom right hand corner “selective door unlock”. Same on my G37 and 16 Z. Ignition must be at “on”. Best of luck. If it s really not available on yours, then I have nothing to offer. Best of luck!

vtec to vvel 09-20-2020 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3960817)
I will try it next week, but in France Nissan haven’t knowledge on Nissan 370Z and GTR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3960962)
They only do the maintenance of the car (change oil, filters etc.).
for other problems, they are not competent.

This makes no sense. If they are an authorized Nissan dealer, they should be competent in addressing their product issues.

In regards to your issue, there are a few other threads regarding this. Try lubricating, as this seems to be the common fix. Otherwise, replacement is the other option, though I've read this is quite a task from the removal of several parts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3960962)
You're from Canada :), it's the same as US,

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3961018)
And France is the same as Italy.

You beat me to it lol. With his logic, that means Canada/US/Mexico are the same. We might as well as add Central American and South America to it since we are all connected.

brainrain 09-21-2020 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3961165)
This makes no sense. If they are an authorized Nissan dealer, they should be competent in addressing their product issues.

In regards to your issue, there are a few other threads regarding this. Try lubricating, as this seems to be the common fix. Otherwise, replacement is the other option, though I've read this is quite a task from the removal of several parts.





You beat me to it lol. With his logic, that means Canada/US/Mexico are the same. We might as well as add Central American and South America to it since we are all connected.

I don't think the door have a problem with lubricating. The problem come from feybob, it's doesn't work and mecanical key does't unlock all door.

When I say Canada as same as US, it's for automotive sector :driving:

I should have said North America to avoid this misunderstanding :D

vtec to vvel 09-21-2020 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3961187)
I don't think the door have a problem with lubricating. The problem come from feybob, it's doesn't work and mecanical key does't unlock all door.

When I say Canada as same as US, it's for automotive sector :driving:

I should have said North America to avoid this misunderstanding :D

Lubricate the pin....not the door....

SouthArk370Z 09-21-2020 11:26 AM

Looking back through this topic, I'm more and more inclined to believe the problem is that you are not getting enough current to the unlock solenoids to make them operate - probably zero current. I find it difficult to believe that so many solenoids would go out at the same time (but it's not impossible). So the first place I would check would be the fuses and relays supplying actuating current to the solenoids - probably in the IPDM; FSM will tell you for sure. While you have the IPDM open, use a voltmeter to verify you have the unlock signal coming from the BCM (or wherever it comes from) to the IPDM circuit board. How to find all those test points, fuses, relays, etc will be in the FSM; along with Nissan's troubleshooting procedures.

cv129 09-21-2020 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3961242)
Looking back through this topic, I'm more and more inclined to believe the problem is that you are not getting enough current to the unlock solenoids to make them operate - probably zero current. I find it difficult to believe that so many solenoids would go out at the same time (but it's not impossible). So the first place I would check would be the fuses and relays supplying actuating current to the solenoids - probably in the IPDM; FSM will tell you for sure. While you have the IPDM open, use a voltmeter to verify you have the unlock signal coming from the BCM (or wherever it comes from) to the IPDM circuit board. How to find all those test points, fuses, relays, etc will be in the FSM; along with Nissan's troubleshooting procedures.

I did have one gone bad before, it was a 2011 FX50. Luckily, there’s a small access hole from the cabin where the solenoid was reachable...I ended up unplugging the power to it, became always unlocked until I had to to send the car to mechanic. Very frustrating when trying to fill gas and couldn’t get the darn door to open.

brainrain 10-11-2020 09:49 AM

Hi everybody,

I can open the gas door, the keyfob works great know (I do not know how)
After a few weeks it works great !!!

cooltoy 10-11-2020 11:20 AM

Hmmm. Mystery. Glad it is working now.

Tractionless 10-24-2020 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainrain (Post 3964742)
Hi everybody,

I can open the gas door, the keyfob works great know (I do not know how)
After a few weeks it works great !!!

You can buy new solenoids (latch) on ebay and replace in minutes from inside the rear bumper cover.

brainrain 10-26-2020 01:19 PM

Hi everybody,
it only worked 2 days and today it works again .... I see that it works after a long trip, there may be a report ?

On the other hand, the button for unlock all door (driver side) did not stop working. He worked very well.
BTW,* I have an appointment with car workshop (not Nissan) next Thursday, they only repaired japaness car. Maybe they help me but the key work now ... very strange problem.
I can check wiring problem with them ...

brainrain 10-26-2020 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tractionless (Post 3967195)
You can buy new solenoids (latch) on ebay and replace in minutes from inside the rear bumper cover.

the problem is the unlocking of the doors and the gas door.
Keyfob and the button on door (driver side) was not working.


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