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KramChaos 09-26-2014 11:33 AM

Possible CSC Failure on 2013
 
Well I was hoping that Nissan had fixed the CSC issue on the new models, but my 2013 just got towed to the dealer due to zero clutch pressure. I almost made it to the dealer,but once I got off the highway it was done. Curious what the dealership service tech will find...

Chuck33079 09-26-2014 11:34 AM

Nope, it's the same part across all model years. Ask them if they'll install an aftermarket csc if you bring it to them.

1slow370 09-26-2014 01:17 PM

yeah we all thought they would fix it going from the hr350z to the 370z but nope same part it's been failing for over 8 years now.

Gregor12 09-26-2014 11:54 PM

Does CSC stand for clutch slave cylinder? Possibly a stupid question but ive been seeing it a lot lately and was not sure what "common failure" people were talking about

axmea? 09-26-2014 11:59 PM

If it is under warranty, they should repair it.

MJB 09-27-2014 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 2980232)
If it is under warranty, they should repair it.

Or they'll just put in the magical "GT-R Fluid", flush the system and say its fine.

DEpointfive0 09-27-2014 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregor12 (Post 2980231)
Does CSC stand for clutch slave cylinder? Possibly a stupid question but ive been seeing it a lot lately and was not sure what "common failure" people were talking about

Concentric Slave Cylinder

Yes, a common problem

martin82 09-27-2014 03:08 AM

Make sure they replace both master and slave

KramChaos 09-27-2014 10:09 AM

They will be replacing the master under warranty, but not the slave since they said it looks fine. If I would have some warning signs in advance, I would have ordered an aftermarket slave and installed it at the same time...it might be a good idea to grab an aftermarket slave and stow it if you haven't had this issue yet

martin82 09-27-2014 12:18 PM

They replaced my csc no questions asked. If you want just drain some fluid and keep going to dealer say fluid keeps getting low. Then demand replacement lol!

MJB 09-27-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KramChaos (Post 2980439)
They will be replacing the master under warranty, but not the slave since they said it looks fine. If I would have some warning signs in advance, I would have ordered an aftermarket slave and installed it at the same time...it might be a good idea to grab an aftermarket slave and stow it if you haven't had this issue yet

In order to do an inspection on the slave cylinder, they would have had to take the transmission out. FSM states that the CSC has to be replaced anytime the transmission is removed. Good luck with everything.

*If you had it towed to the dealer yesterday, I find it hard to believe they've dropped the transmission already. Got to love the stealership

DIGItonium 09-27-2014 03:08 PM

The master can be replaced without dropping the transmission. For the CSC, IIRC, there's a dust cover and one can peak inside to observe the CSC and pressure plate with a flash light.

MJB 09-27-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2980595)
The master can be replaced without dropping the transmission. For the CSC, IIRC, there's a dust cover and one can peak inside to observe the CSC and pressure plate with a flash light.

Yes sir, I learned that the hard way when I took my transmission out without removing that plate and bent it all to hell. But I have know idea how you can do a thorough inspection on the csc by looking through a 2inx2in window. I guess they seen it wasn't leaking and said its good to go.

Justice97 09-28-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2980496)
They replaced my csc no questions asked. If you want just drain some fluid and keep going to dealer say fluid keeps getting low. Then demand replacement lol!

LMAO

Where was this before my 3yr went out lol.

So far I have been lucky with CSC. I did have it drop once with just enough pressure to change gears. Was odd, It was late was on my way home. Was really going through the gears getting on freeway. Everything was fine then, it was when I exited and I was on ramp is when it felt weak. I figured it was going to go and I would call tow truck in the morning.

Looked under car next morning no oil. hmmmmm. Checked level....hmmm, Got in....hmmmm clutch has pressure.
Started..hmmmmm....reverse slid in nicely....ran through the gears. Haven't had a problem since.

MJB 09-29-2014 05:34 PM

Any updates?

tonythetiger 09-29-2014 10:07 PM

this is unacceptabel!! i really wish nissan admitted to this faulty design and recall all z to replace this part!

KramChaos 09-30-2014 02:33 PM

Car is still at the dealer, they just got the parts in today so I am hoping to pick up the Z tomorrow. Driving around in a Volvo rental that has the worst steering feel I have ever experienced :ugh2:

KramChaos 10-10-2014 07:19 AM

Back at the dealer for round 2 :shakes head:

osbornsm 10-10-2014 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KramChaos (Post 2995748)
Back at the dealer for round 2 :shakes head:

Wat do u mean ??

MJB 10-10-2014 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 2995915)
Wat do u mean ??

My guess is they just replaced the CMC, when in reality it was CSC that was faulty.

KramChaos 10-10-2014 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJB (Post 2995944)
My guess is they just replaced the CMC, when in reality it was CSC that was faulty.

Exactly. Back in the shop and hoping to get it back next week with a properly working clutch.

MJB 10-10-2014 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KramChaos (Post 2996093)
Exactly. Back in the shop and hoping to get it back next week with a properly working clutch.

Lol, how did I guess? Once again, like I mentioned in this thread, how do you do a thorough inspection by looking threw a 2inx2in window on the bellhousing? The transmission should have been dropped to begin with, especially when 99% of the clutch problems on our cars is from the CSC.

martin82 10-10-2014 02:10 PM

yeah stupid, have to insist on both CSC and Master to be replaced. 2nd time it went I just ended up paying out of pocket and upgraded to Zpeed products and oem new master. FK nissan.

Haboob 12-05-2014 08:21 AM

Any update on this?

I'm nervous... I'm at 42.5k miles on my '13. I fear every day of it dying on the freeway in the middle lane.


That and I'm no longer under warranty, so I'm curious of how much it costs to replace and install. I think I saw another thread state $750 for the CSC? :(

Chuck33079 12-05-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 3048245)
Any update on this?

I'm nervous... I'm at 42.5k miles on my '13. I fear every day of it dying on the freeway in the middle lane.


That and I'm no longer under warranty, so I'm curious of how much it costs to replace and install. I think I saw another thread state $750 for the CSC? :(

Figure ~$300 for a good aftermarket CSC and $600-1000 in labor to drop the tranny and install. Depending on how it fails, you might be doing a clutch if it gets ruined by the leaking fluid.

Might be worth buying a HD CSC now and keeping it on the shelf to limit your downtime.

Haboob 12-05-2014 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3048273)
Figure ~$300 for a good aftermarket CSC and $600-1000 in labor to drop the tranny and install. Depending on how it fails, you might be doing a clutch if it gets ruined by the leaking fluid.

Might be worth buying a HD CSC now and keeping it on the shelf to limit your downtime.

If only I could right now. Hopefully it'll last until about March, but with the amount of miles that I put on per week... it's going to be sketchy. Maybe I'll offload the car before it happens...

nis350 12-05-2014 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3048273)
Depending on how it fails, you might be doing a clutch if it gets ruined by the leaking fluid.

Where about is the csc relative to the clutch disc? I imagine it has to be on top of the clutch in order for the fluid to get to the disk or the flywheel?

MY experience on the csc for other cars is that it would fail gradually with slow leaks. Looks like the Z would just fail without warnings?


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