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chops 01-19-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zefaulter (Post 3086372)
Why 4?

it goes, 2 washers, OEM spring washer, kawasaki castellated nut on each side. i did not feel comfortable using 3 OEM spring washers in order to get the new nut to fit correctly

zefaulter 01-19-2015 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chops (Post 3086374)
it goes, 2 washers, OEM spring washer, kawasaki castellated nut on each side. i did not feel comfortable using 3 OEM spring washers in order to get the new nut to fit correctly

Oh gotcha!

JARblue 01-20-2015 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chops (Post 3086345)
just an update... i picked up 4 of these and they work perfectly

https://www.fastenal.com/web/products/details/33821

Quote:

Originally Posted by chops (Post 3086374)
it goes, 2 washers, OEM spring washer, kawasaki castellated nut on each side. i did not feel comfortable using 3 OEM spring washers in order to get the new nut to fit correctly

Thank you for the link :tiphat:

I am currently using 3 OEM spring washers. Kevin at the Z clinic didn't seem overly concerned about it, so I wasn't either. But I will probably go ahead and order these anyway; they're not expensive.

chops 01-20-2015 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3086495)
Thank you for the link :tiphat:

I am currently using 3 OEM spring washers. Kevin at the Z clinic didn't seem overly concerned about it, so I wasn't either. But I will probably go ahead and order these anyway; they're not expensive.

they have local locations all over the place, so it was a no brainer for me :)

Burnt350 02-15-2016 12:42 PM

I too had the click on my 2012 Sport with 27k on the odo. Took it to Nissan at 0700 this morning and just picked it up. They removed the rear axles, gave everything a good lube and now no more click :) Super quiet and sounds the way it should. They said there is a TSB but the TSB number isn't on the work order.

BeemaaZ 02-15-2016 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Burnt350 (Post 3414102)
I too had the click on my 2012 Sport with 27k on the odo. Took it to Nissan at 0700 this morning and just picked it up. They removed the rear axles, gave everything a good lube and now no more click :) Super quiet and sounds the way it should. They said there is a TSB but the TSB number isn't on the work order.


Did they at lease give you the TSB case number? If you don't mind please attach the dealership's invoice so at least us forum members can show it to the dealership. Thanks!

TreeSemdyZee 02-15-2016 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Burnt350 (Post 3414102)
I too had the click on my 2012 Sport with 27k on the odo. Took it to Nissan at 0700 this morning and just picked it up. They removed the rear axles, gave everything a good lube and now no more click :) Super quiet and sounds the way it should. They said there is a TSB but the TSB number isn't on the work order.

I had mine done a couple of years ago and the rat bastages charged me $160.

YzGyz 02-15-2016 04:30 PM

Those of you that did it themselves, did you unbolt the axle from the diff and smear grease between the diff and that shiney part of the axle? How much grease did yo put on there?

YzGyz

Burnt350 02-15-2016 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BeemaaZ (Post 3414189)
Did they at lease give you the TSB case number? If you don't mind please attach the dealership's invoice so at least us forum members can show it to the dealership. Thanks!

I can call them tomorrow to see if they can provide me the 370z specific TSB number. I know there is one for the 350z, so I'm not sure if they are just using that or not. Took them all morning and it was ready for pickup at noon.

http://www.notre350z.com/forum/files...ClickClack.pdf

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 3414205)
I had mine done a couple of years ago and the rat bastages charged me $160.

OUCH!!!!! I am sorry to hear that. When I drove up, the Service Advisor asked why I was there and after i told him, he said yea I heard it when you drove up. :happydance:

Burnt350 02-17-2016 07:24 AM

My Dealership just emailed me back and said and I quote.....

"TSB # for the correction we did to your vehicle is NTB12-055E"

JARblue 02-17-2016 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by YzGyz (Post 3414237)
Those of you that did it themselves, did you unbolt the axle from the diff and smear grease between the diff and that shiney part of the axle? How much grease did yo put on there?

YzGyz

I bought the Honda M-something moly lube. Used most of a 10oz tube on the rear axles. No need to be stingy with it :twocents:

edit: I left the axle connected to the diff so it did not get any lube there.

TreeSemdyZee 02-17-2016 09:00 AM

Speaking of TSBs. I just found an interesting site with ALL of the TSBs.
The link below is specifically for the '09 370, but they have all vehicles.

2009 Nissan 370Z TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins) | NissanProblems.com

juld0zer 02-17-2016 09:39 AM

The M77 grease is to be applied to the flat face of the outer CV only. Not the splines. The flat face is the face which butts up against the hub. It's approx 10mm wide. There is a TSB for the 370Z and many Nissan models. The TSB will
have photos that tell you where to put the grease.

Follow the specified amount - weigh the tube using digital scales before applying and during application to determine when you have administered enough grease.

From memory, i took the axles out to do the greasing because i couldnt get enough room to properly see where i was applying it. Dont take chances, order the mandatory replacement fasteners

As i said earlier, this did not solve my problem but by all means try it out if you have access to the grease.

JARblue 02-17-2016 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juld0zer (Post 3415695)
The M77 grease is to be applied to the flat face of the outer CV only. Not the splines. The flat face is the face which butts up against the hub. It's approx 10mm wide. There is a TSB for the 370Z and many Nissan models. The TSB will
have photos that tell you where to put the grease.

Follow the specified amount - weigh the tube using digital scales before applying and during application to determine when you have administered enough grease.

From memory, i took the axles out to do the greasing because i couldnt get enough room to properly see where i was applying it. Dont take chances, order the mandatory replacement fasteners

As i said earlier, this did not solve my problem but by all means try it out if you have access to the grease.

I did this at the same time as I replaced the stupid adjusting cap with the Kawasaki castle nut per your thread. Might as well while I was in there :tup:

Kevin at Austin Z Clinic told me to be generous with the lube, even though the FSM may say otherwise. I did everything probably 30K miles ago. No issues since.

xxgary81xx 06-21-2016 10:04 PM

I'm not much of a mechanic and this thread hits the nail on the hear. I have ano extended 100k mile silver warranty. Is it worth trying at the dealership or better off finding a local mechanic to do it? This started a month ago and is getting more annoying

Billyt858 11-14-2016 04:53 PM

370z rear axle click
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xxgary81xx (Post 3502455)
I'm not much of a mechanic and this thread hits the nail on the hear. I have ano extended 100k mile silver warranty. Is it worth trying at the dealership or better off finding a local mechanic to do it? This started a month ago and is getting more annoying

Can some one show me the steps with photo or a youtube video on how to fix this. I am having a hard time understanding the steps. Just at the dealership now and i was charge 150 plus tax for a temp fix.

JARblue 11-15-2016 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Billyt858 (Post 3577932)
Can some one show me the steps with photo or a youtube video on how to fix this. I am having a hard time understanding the steps. Just at the dealership now and i was charge 150 plus tax for a temp fix.

What step(s), specifically, are you having trouble with? Are you looking to do this yourself? It's pretty straightforward, so if you're having trouble understanding the fix, you might want to consider a local shop :twocents:

icChi 12-21-2016 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by juld0zer (Post 2870070)
Hey guys,
As some of you will know, i've been battling these clicking axles for a while. I have tried:
- Lazy fix - basically removing the big nut, pushing the axle in as far as possible and injecting a crapload of wheel bearing grease. Then torquing up the nut to spec. Didn't last long at all.

NB: There are 2 torque specs depending on your year model/the way the big nut is secured.

- Official Nissan fix using Molykote M77 grease. Involves removing both axles, cleaning and applying this special grease and replacing all nuts, bolts, cotter pins, caps. This solution didn't last long - i had my hopes up but i also had my doubts that this super-grease could cushion the metallic click to the point where Nissan engineers declared it as eliminated. For those who want to try it but can't find the grease, you can buy it in a tube from your Honda motorcycle dealer. Google "Honda M77 assembly paste".

- Re-torquing the nut an extra 10Nm each time the noise reappeared. I couldn't go on forever retorquing the nut. With the success i was having, i'd be up to 300Nm by now.

*drum roll*
This is the solution that has eliminated the noise for me. The noise used to come back every 4000km, on alternate sides. This solution has worked for the past 9000km (almost 5 months). I am driving the car harder now that i have some mods too. No, it doesn't involve Loctite and it doesn't cost a fortune either.

Here's what you need if you want to have a go:

- Kawasaki axle nut (yes, seriously). Part number 92210-0280. They're about $15 each from your local Kawasaki dealer. The nut is almost identical in dimensions to the OEM flange type nut - you use the same socket too. Kawasaki specifies similar torque specs to what Nissan specifies so there's no doubt the nut can handle it. It's made in Japan so it must be good, right? :P

This particular nut is castellated, so it combines the OEM big nut plus the pathetic OEM 'adjusting cap' (as fitted to 2011 models and other year models) into one nut. Unlike the weak tin steel prongs of the adjusting cap, the 6 slots in the Kawasaki nut won't get crushed over time from the constant banging of the cotter pin when you accelerate/coast. The slots are also quite snug when you use an OEM cotter pin so again, there's almost no possibility of movement.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/photo1-1.jpg
http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/photo2-1.jpg

- 2 OEM spring washers. One for each side. You'll need the washers to make up the gap because the Kawasaki nut, being just as tall as the OEM nut, will not reach the cotter pin hole in the end of the axle. In the OEM setup, the 'adjusting cap' would sit over the nut and its prongs would reach the cotter pin hole.

- New OEM cotter pins. Don't re-use the old ones. You dont want to be forever mucking around with this.

- Torque the nut up to the OEM spec for a 370z with adjusting cap. You'll notice that the castellated slots don't line up with the cotter pin hole in the axle. This is fine. Use your breaker bar and turn the nut until the next available slot lines up with the hole.

How you torque the nut is up to you. Some prefer to mount the wheel and lower the car til the wheel touches the ground. I just put a jack stand underneath the rotor hat and lowered the car til some weight was resting on the jack stand.

- Fit NEW cotter pin and secure it properly. You might need a small hammer to push it thru.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/photo3-1.jpg

- Reinstall wheel and enjoy :)

I hope you enjoy the same success as i did. You don't have to use a Kawasaki nut but any castellated nut of the same thread and diameter will be fine. Don't use an aluminium or soft metal nut.


Good luck!

Hi juld0zer, just wondering how is the fix holding up since you did it? thinking bout doing it on my Z, as the nissan fix didnt last long:shakes head:

Wonka2581 12-27-2016 12:35 AM

Holly sh*t Batman!!!! Thank you soooo much for posting this thread!! I just had the dreaded "CLUNK" noise start happening.... and my Z is a 2011 with 20,000 miles so she just ran out of warrenty. I'm going to be ordering these Kawasaki nuts.:driving:

juld0zer 01-04-2017 07:40 PM

I sold the car a few years ago. It was still good by the time i sold it too

Wonka2581 01-23-2017 12:55 PM

Looking for the rear axle / hub torque specs. I have tried to find them but I have come up empty handed. Trying to fix the rear axle clunk noise. Thanks.

Wonka2581 01-23-2017 04:50 PM

Also check out this video I found. Dude used lock tight on the axle splines? Thoughts on this instead of grease?

https://youtu.be/3ipx1OWx3kk

JARblue 01-23-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 3606600)
Looking for the rear axle / hub torque specs. I have tried to find them but I have come up empty handed. Trying to fix the rear axle clunk noise. Thanks.

Different for different years. Check FSM rear axle (RAX) documentation. My 2011 FSM says 100-105 Nm for the wheel hub lock nut. I think some years call for something in the 80-85 Nm range - I don't remember exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 3606693)
Also check out this video I found. Dude used lock tight on the axle splines? Thoughts on this instead of grease?

I would say that's not a big deal, but I probably wouldn't bother. He makes a good point that the splines aren't supposed to be moving at that location. The proper % moly lube (really should be more of a paste) is fine, too.

Wonka2581 01-23-2017 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3606754)
Different for different years. Check FSM rear axle (RAX) documentation. My 2011 FSM says 100-105 Nm for the wheel hub lock nut. I think some years call for something in the 80-85 Nm range - I don't remember exactly.



I would say that's not a big deal, but I probably wouldn't bother. He makes a good point that the splines aren't supposed to be moving at that location. The proper % moly lube (really should be more of a paste) is fine, too.

Awesome thank you. Mine is a 2011 as well!! Also the rear differential bolts for the axle torque specs? If you have them that would be awesome!!

JARblue 01-23-2017 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 3606755)
Awesome thank you. Mine is a 2011 as well!! Also the rear differential bolts for the axle torque specs? If you have them that would be awesome!!

79.4 Nm (59 ft-lb)

You know with as many technical questions as you ask, you should really download a copy of the FSM ;)

There are links in the Service section of the forum (or just look for a SouthArk post - the links are in his signature).

juld0zer 01-26-2017 07:44 PM

lol folks it's 100-105Nm for cars with spring washer and beer cap or 180-185Nm for what i assume is cars with just the nut and cotter pin.

It's been a while but i think i used 185Nm and then a big breaker bar to bump the new Kawasaki castellated nut onto the next slot for the cotter pin to go thru.

Boss_302 03-20-2017 11:50 AM

I know I don't have the socket in my tool box for this nut. So before I pull it apart can someone tell me what size socket is needed.
Thanks

Boss_302 04-10-2017 06:52 AM

So I answer my own question after fixing my issues with the rear frame bushing and axle clicking. The socket for the axle nuts are 32mm, this is both for the factory nuts and the upgrade.

Cbtech 04-12-2017 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boss_302 (Post 3638633)
So I answer my own question after fixing my issues with the rear frame bushing and axle clicking. The socket for the axle nuts are 32mm, this is both for the factory nuts and the upgrade.

This would have been a good heads up for me today haha. got the job done and found that the right rear nut was loose enough for me to remove the stock nut without the use of a breaker bar :eek:

Senna-F1 10-05-2017 02:28 AM

5 Attachment(s)
The TSB. Torque for axle nut not given.

Senna-F1 10-05-2017 02:55 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Anyone know the Torque spec for the 370z? Here is how it changed for the 350z

From Service Manual to the TSB.

Senna-F1 10-05-2017 03:15 AM

Also, some confusion on which cotter pin to use. Make sure you get the right one!

The one from the TSB and mentioned in this thread, which isn't a match for my '14 Nismo, but is a match for say a 2010 Base 370z...

Nissan Part No.: 40073-0L700
https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/part...073-0l700.html

Or the one that is a match for my '14 Nismo...

Nissan Part No.: 00921-5402A
https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/part...921-5402a.html

Which one are y'all using, and which Z do you have?

JARblue 10-05-2017 07:51 AM

I torqued mine to 85 ft-lbs. It's been three years since I did the fix, and I've had no issues at all on my 2011. With the cotter pin situated properly, the torque spec really shouldn't matter as long as the nut is tightened down sufficiently (i.e. not loose).

Senna-F1 10-12-2017 11:01 AM

FIXED: Rear axle click clunk noise
 
Got a screen shot of the ESM referenced in the TSB. It’s still shows 74-77 ft-lbs for the axel nut. Not sure what years or if it matters but I told them to look it up for my 2014 Nismo. Main point is it doesn’t seem to have changed with the TSB. So, probably should use whatever your manual shows.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0422f4e1d9.jpg


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Senna-F1 10-27-2017 09:08 PM

Since I was also doing diff bushings, I had to remove the axels. If you remove them the manual says not to reuse bolts and nuts on the axel and propeller shaft. I used all new hardware and they were covered in red. Some form of loctite I assume. Just FYI.

T-Rex57 12-08-2017 11:00 PM

Thanks @juld0zer for this fix. Just performed this on my Aussie 2011 370z, clicking is gone at the moment, but I'll report back after some kms travelled.

For other Aussies if you're having trouble sourcing parts (My dealer wouldn't sell me any): Got the Kawasaki Castle Nuts from Partzilla.com for $AU20 delivered

I required two additional spring washers per side (for a total of 6, 2 new and the origina 1 OEM). Part number is #400371CA0A for the spring washers, bought at $3.80 each from Amayama. Bit pricey, but couldn't find many sources.

The new cotter pins part number is #400730L700, I bought 4 of them at $1.72 each also from Amayama (Just as well cos the first pin I bent improperly). Total delivered for the washers and cotter pins was AU$31.08

Other notes: Easy to install even for a ham fisted oaf like myself - I had to tighten to spec, then use a breaker bar to tighten the Kawasaki nut a little bit over to allow the cotter pin to sit correctly

EXL124 02-26-2018 09:58 AM

So for those of you who brought it to the dealer to have it re-greased, how long did that last before the click came back?

Array 02-26-2018 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EXL124 (Post 3733698)
So for those of you who brought it to the dealer to have it re-greased, how long did that last before the click came back?

depending on ur issues re-greasing will not fix the issue, it simply muffles the noise. I had to have a few axle parts re-torque & my bushing/subframe replaced until my noise went away, warranty paid

hotprops 02-26-2018 12:48 PM

i had the need for a 32mm 6 pt 1/2 inch drive socket for a bike project and a friend suggested i get a 1 1/4 inch impact socket from home depot online delivered to the store for $5 worked great

hotprops 02-26-2018 01:07 PM

and the proper torque is 140 foot lbs for the non Nissan nut


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