No clue..

That is one of the most refreshing answers I have ever received on this forum.

No guessing...

No speculation...

No theorizing...

If you don't know, you don't know.

Mocal Thermostatic Sandwich Plate
 

I have the answer regarding exchanging the Stillen sandwich plate with a Mocal thermostatic one. The supplied stillen fittings will not work. You need to get two 90 degree 1/2 BSP to 8 AN fitting and two Mocal bonded washers. The total cost is around $110.

This will allow the Mocal unit to replace the Stillen unit exactly.

If this all sounds like another language you can call BatInc. and they will assist you in getting the right parts.

My thermostatic sandwich plate and my Stillen track cooler are currently in transit. I will update with the performance of this setup when everything is installed.

I am hoping that temps will barely go north of 190 degrees on the street and 220 on the track.

That can't be the Nissan people told me 220-260 is optimal and perfectly fine(true story)

i hope your being sarcastic.

Any word on the thermo plate you guys said you were going to offer with the race cooler? I need to pull the trigger soon.

There currently is NO properly sized thermostatic oil cooler on the market. Your only option is to separately purchase a thermostatic sandwich plate and substitute it for the supplied unit.

I am in the process of doing this now. Call BatInc. if you have any questions or want to purchase one.

The GMP unit uses a Thermo plate. If you want to retrofit, buy the Mocal and the AN8 to 1/2 adapers to fit the Stillen fittings.


My DIY source has the AN8 to 1/2" adapters...

AN to Pipe Adapters - Aeroquip Straight Male Connector, Aluminum

$3.61 eash..

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/i...1724_large.jpg

Remember, the Stillen fittings are 90 degrees. You will also need a 90 degree Male AN8 to Female AN8 fitting. Otherwise the hoses may not fit.

Use only the mocal fittings and washers!
 

I forgot to add that you MUST use the Mocal fittings with the special bonded Mocal washer or the sandwich plate may leak.

I'm sure BAT has AN8 adapters as does racerpartswholesale:
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/3314/s
I should have specified these with the washer...Though I have put together leak free systems without the special Mocal parts..

..I used AN10's with the washers on my Cooler install.

http://images43.fotki.com/v1505/phot...MG_1676-vi.jpg

You can do it without the washers, but they do give you an extra degree of security and are no brainers to install. Depends on your fitting needs..
http://images112.fotki.com/v580/phot...SCF0004-vi.jpg

Stillen said earlier in this thread they are working on including a thermo plate with their race oil cooler kit. I was asking for an update on that.

Just received the Stillen race cooler, and their upgraded power steering cooler. The race cooler is not a 26 row it's 25 row.
The power steering cooler is not what you see on there website (the Setrab) It's an EARL'S. It's shorter and the quality of the cooler is bad. But the design looks little more efficient.

I called Stillin and a representative told me that he'll call me back to confirm. after about 20 mint he calls back and said that the Engine oil cooler the 26 is a typo.
and about the power steering cooler. they didn't updated the picture on the website.

I'm kind off confused. I don't know if i should be upset, or angry. But I'm sure I'm not as excited as i was when i received the package.

I think I mite return it. I'll decide in the morning.

Kyle, any chance the race cooler fits the G37?? I just bought the street cooler and had it installed by you guys a few months ago.

Just think it over and look around tonight if there is anything better out.

Just placed my order for the Stillen race oil cooler. Living in Arizona I am going to try and get away without using a thermostatic sandwich plate. I can always get one later if I need one.

Today I went to the shop to pick up my car, Started the car. waited till it wormed up, Rivved it a little and heard this whining sound! it's a wearied sound like if you have a damaged power steering bearing, or a supercharge. The sound is low. You only can hear it if your in the car door closed, or if you open the hood.

Asked a mechanic (not the one who worked on the car) and he says he doesn't hear it! asked the seals person (he was out side of the car) says he doesn't hear it! so i left the car in the shop so no internal damage happens if there was an issue. and that the mechanic who worked on it can investigate whats going on.

I really can't wait till Monday to know. and i have a strong feeling that the sound is from the sandwich plat (a member on this forum had a problem with his. that he had to replace it. but he had a diffrant sound a clicking sound) So i called Z1 motorsport to send me a Nissan oil plat overnight, and i explained my situation. The tech told me that their car have the same sound! but they also installed an under drive pulley at the same time. Told me to call him Tuesday to confirm if its the under drive pulley or from the oil plate.

Still wasn't satisfied.

Called Stillen, explained my car situation after the install, and he told me i have to call Monday, coz no tech works Saturday.

I can live with the sound if i get confirmed that the sound is normal and no damage or harm will happen to the engine.

I don't have an oil pressure gauge to monitor and see whats going on. but that will be on top of the To Do list.

"Today I went to the shop to pick up my car, Started the car. waited till it wormed up, Rivved it a little and heard this whining sound!"

Valentino,

You are not alone. I just installed a stillen race cooler with a mocal sandwich plate and I have the same noise. My girlfriend says I'm imagining it. I'm very glad I'm not going insane. I can just barley hear it over the other engine noises but it is definitely a new noise.

I used all an-10 plumbing and made my own brackets with an alternate cooler placement. I also don't like running the lines low where they my get smashed or yanked on by the sway-bar. I'm curious to see what stillen says. I haven't bothered to call them as I will most likely be told that it is my alternate plumbing causing the noise. I'm looking forward to what they have to say. Here are some picks of my install.

^ I'll definitely confirm when i get an answer. I just hope it's not an issue ,and it's a normal sound.

There is a couple of members on this forum that have installed oil coolers. There input and feed back are welcome.

Forget to add to my previous post to thank John at Z1 motorsport for not just want to make money out of this, but asked me why i wanted just the oil plat, and told me to wait, to confirm.Knowing that I never had business with them before. That speaks volume in my book. coz shops like Z1 are getting rear these days. Most just want to make money. Don't want to stand behind there products, Or there work on the car after there done with it.

I get the whining sound as well. However, it has been one week and everything is fine. It has been 500 miles and my oil still looks brand new.

To tell the truth, I am relieved as I thought my differential was going bad.

your kidding, not another Stillen issue. Bought a GTM oil cooler for way, way less. Plumbed it in the opposite direction because it made more sense and has worked perfect. Nada, zero, no issues.

opposite way ?

Yep. Made much more sense and less holes to drill.

Updates,

Monday, Oct 5

Went to the shop today to do some more diagnostics with almost 3 mechanics, every one of them had a shot at it (one at a time). Started the car waited till the Rev went down, i had One guy in the car with me (doors,windows closed) and the other mechanic was in front of the car (hood open). Started revving the car (Just gently plipping the throttle), and they heard the whining sound. I also noticed that the higher the oil temp gets the sound is more noticeable even when its idling. The mechanic started moving the oil lines and suddenly the was a different pitch in the sound. So he said probably the oil line is rubbing against some body parts. I was little re leaf to what he said. He took the front bumper off started to move the lines and see were it was touching or rubbing against body parts and covering it with rubber hoses. Started the car and the whining sound is still there! This time the car is on a lift no front bumper hood open and inside the garage. kept revving the car for the mechanic to find where the sound is coming from. I've been revving the car all morning so i tried a different method. By trying to hold the engine in a sirtin RPM to find if there is a sweet spot for this sound. It appears that the sweet spot for this sound is just slightly over 1000 RPM (somewhere between 1000-1250). And this time a clicking sound appears (i think the clicking sound was there all the time but i was passing it by revving). This time it was confirmed that it was the sandwich plate that's causing this clicking and whining sound.

Now, The only mechanical thing in the sandwich plat is a small ball and the spring under it. The only explanation for it to be there is to re leaf any sudden high oil purser in the oil lines. to prevent it from leaking at the joints.

So I was told that i have to contact Stillen to sort out this issue with them, coz Stillen mite not talk to us since you ordered the Oil cooler. I told the sales person to give it a try, Coz your shop installed their product and if they didn't want to cooperate I'll call them. So he agreed coz he had to talk to them about the same oil cooler that they ordered and installed for a customer. His issue was the cooler stop cooling!
While i was waiting for a respond. I called John at Z1 Motorsport to see if he had a chance to look at there car. He told me that they just got the car in, and will have an answer tomorrow.
Got a respond from the shop that Stillen says that the car shouldn't make any kind of sound with there cooler kit, and they will replace the sandwich plat. So i asked will they overnight the part they said no we have to send them the part first and when they get the part they will send us a new one. I called Stillen tech the same person who the shop talked to and i asked him if he can send the part overnight because i was spouse get my car last week and now its been delayed, and i have to get my car done this week. he said no they have to receive my part first and send it to there development department to investigate the cause. If it was a manufacturing defect, or an installation issue. and the ball is in the shops court. The sooner they send the part the sooner we can take care of this. I was like :confused:

If this is a "Ball Game" for you Stillen. You won. Why , Because you made money from me buying ur "Racing oil cooler". You saved money from not paying for parts being overnight back and forth. You saved money for not paying for the re installation that was caused by a defect of your product. Plus the cost of new oil and filter. Not to mention my wasted time.

Knowing that you had issues with your Oil sandwich plat (oil cooler sanwich plate noise), and other two on this thread have the same problem. Not to mention all the drama on other parts you make for this car. I don't think i will put any product from your company on my car.

To make the story short. I called the shop and asked them to order the Nissan Motorsport sandwich plat with there oil lines. Hope I get my car done this week.

If you want to look at the bright side of my situation. I'll be holding the record of the most expansive Oil cooler on a 370z.

Thank you Stillen.

Isn't the oil cooler kit a combination of parts from different manufacturers? If so, I think it is unfair to blame Stillen. It might be fair if they manufacturer all parts in house.

However, it is good to see that the issue is in the process of being resolved.

What a hassle!

Seriously, take the sucker off, send it back to Stillen and buy the GTM one for $380.00. I'm more than glad to send you the install pictures and instructions on how to do it as after you get it figured out, there is nothing to it. Super happy with mine. If you would like, I'll give you my personal phone number if you need help but sincerely doubt you would need any after seeing the simple instructions.

Say what you want, Stillen is on my poop list big time. There is no excuse for using customers as test dummies not working out the kinks before offering an item for sale. They tried to blame me on the install of the exhaust system which may have turned out be a faulty header quality control. Again, not fitting a test car before they sell them. No excuse.........period. There is an obvious trend that has been repeated on several products.

Fool me once.....shame on you. Fool me twice........shame on me. Ain't gonna happen again.

Am I missing something? Why is everybody so upset about the Stillen Race kit?

The core is a Setrab. The plate is a Perma Cool. The only proprietary part of the kit is the bracket. Are you upset about the bracket?

What is it you believe Stillen did wrong?

I'm looking into the rattling issue.. as was stated we do not make the plate, but are absolutely prepared to warranty it, if there is in fact something wrong.

In regards to this specific event, our advice was to have your shop get a new plate locally, which would be easy for any shop, and have them swap that in, send the plate back, we would look at it, if it was defective we would reimburse for the shipping and the part itself.

Overnighting one from here would be slower, and more costly, so our recommendation was the first option. Ordering other parts from Nissan wasn't our idea..

I thought the same thing...

Now a question for you. Are you having any of these issues with your race cooler and Mocal thermo plate?

Denny, I can appreciate you have some issues with STILLEN, we'd love to work those out with you offline, but you're blending your experiences with our exhaust to this oil cooler kit, claiming that we haven't test fitted these oil coolers on cars before selling them, or using any customers as "test dummies" is simply untrue.

If there is an issue with some of the sandwich plates, that's something we'd like to remedy immediately, but as of now there are apparently only a couple issues out of all of the cooler systems we've sold so far.

How so modshack? what makes you say that?

I hear a whining sound but it really does not concern me. In fact, I was relieved to discover that it was not my differential.

On the street I used to regularly see temps of 220 when cruising and 240+ when driving hard. Now, I cruise locked to 180 and there is no way to get it over 210.

I understand that when you start modifying your car there will be unintended consequences. For example, the ambient temperature gauge no longer works because of the added heat of the cooler. I can live with that.

California?.....My employer paid to move me there, and paid to move me out 10 months later. Nice to visit. I'll never live there again thank goodness.. Traffic, Crowds, Taxes, politics all suck. The weather's nice though..

Huh? Not sure where that is coming from, but mine works just fine......

If yours doesn't you might want to re-check your install..

Sorry to hear about this miss-hap, i'm not going to buy their oil cooler because of this hassle experience, i dont want any whining sounds coming from an oil cooler either. Just return it and get the GTM oil cooler.

When you responded to my previous thread "On the water temp gauge, yeah that is worthless. After 132-134 degrees there is no change until 212+" were you talking about the water temp or outside temp?

And if it is you water temp, you might want to re-check your install.

Josh

Frankly after talking with you on the phone telling me there were no issues, saying it was the install and then the person who was going to contact me did not. At this point I don't know for sure if it's the headers actually causing the issue, the exhaust or both. What I do know is I'm not taking the damn headers off that car again to fix your issues.

Basically done with Stillen and that is true.

I was responding to your first comment. My ambient air temp sensor works just fine. And on the second, if you will plug in a Scangauge or equivalent that will read actual water temps you'll see that the LED gauge is virtualy worthless except at extremes. This has nothing to do with an oil cooler. They all work this way. ... 2 different sensors discussed here...Maybe you meant something else..??

Actually, that clears things up. I assumed you meant the outside air temperature.

My guess is that the outside air sensor must be in front of the radiator on the passenger side. I assumed that the heat coming off the cooler was getting interpreted as outside air temp. That might explain why your driver side mount does not screw with the sensor. Or the dealership ran a line across the sensor. I can only speculate.

And, for what its worth, I can confirm that the outside air temp gauge only goes up to 142 degrees.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Unquestionably apples and oranges and still trying to figure out why Nissan put the voltage in a nice guage and made water temps unreadable for all practical purposes. Seems like they should have been reversed. Dunno.....people putting in big sound systems??

Even though it's apples and oranges, noticed my water temps after the oil cooler install did run about ten degrees lower than before.