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matcop 07-18-2013 03:23 PM

TORCO Accelerator
 
Ok, So I know nothing about this stuff. Apparently you add it to your gas 91 or 89 Octane and its suppose to closely resemble race fuel. Supposedly bumps it to 102 Octane

My question is , is it safe. Does it work ? I know that when you go to the pump, all fuel is suppose to be 87 Octane and they put additives in it to bump the octane rating.

Spikuh 07-18-2013 03:29 PM

No idea what that stuff is, but I am betting it is just additional additives that you dump in your tank. That 102 rating is going to only happen if you mix it with the correct amount of fuel. Less fuel will mean a higher rating, more fuel will mean a lower rating.

DEpointfive0 07-18-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matcop (Post 2409560)
Ok, So I know nothing about this stuff. Apparently you add it to your gas 91 or 89 Octane and its suppose to closely resemble race fuel. Supposedly bumps it to 102 Octane

My question is , is it safe. Does it work ? I know that when you go to the pump, all fuel is suppose to be 87 Octane and they put additives in it to bump the octane rating.

Kind of...


Depending on your initial octane, how much, and how much you're adding will obviously change the octane boost

It is KINDA safe, and it's the ONLY "octane booster" that ACTUALLY boosts octane.
Some people say it burns the seals, some people report that it turns your spark plugs orange... I wouldn't run it every tank, just because its REALLY cost ineffective compared to E85

mults 07-18-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matcop (Post 2409560)
Ok, So I know nothing about this stuff. Apparently you add it to your gas 91 or 89 Octane and its suppose to closely resemble race fuel. Supposedly bumps it to 102 Octane

My question is , is it safe. Does it work ? I know that when you go to the pump, all fuel is suppose to be 87 Octane and they put additives in it to bump the octane rating.

I used to use some octane boost that was supposed to raise the octane level to 104 when I raced my Pontiac Formula back in the day. It seemed to work, but who knows? "You pays your money, you takes your chances."

Z eliminator 07-19-2013 04:04 PM

it may ruin your fuel sender . ive had mine replaced as the sender unit was not workling properly> I used lucas octain boost with 94 octain gas.

Jordo! 07-19-2013 04:09 PM

It's unclear that going from 91 to a higher octane will convince the ECU to yield more spark advance -- thus without planning to tune for higher octane levels, I wouldn't worry about it.

Lower octanes, however, run the risk of knock under load, and thus are not recommended.

Also, in what few empirical tests I've ever found, even good octane boosters raise octane by no more than a .5 to 1.5 points. There's a thread on here somewhere with a link...

Finally, depending on the additives, it may wreak havoc on the fuel sender. I say, pass.

Read up on octane and its relationship to engine tuning independently -- good stuff to know about.

Baer383 09-20-2013 07:17 PM

I use Torco it works great for eliminating da knock .:tup:

Also this stuff is not octane booster it is race fuel concentrate.

1slow370 09-21-2013 01:41 AM

yeah a working octane booster is toluene from sherwin williams automotive paint supply. As for compatability issues with toluene, it used to be in all gas(then they said it made baby jesus cry or something) and the can from SW says "automotive grade" on it

Baer383 09-21-2013 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2498309)
yeah a working octane booster is toluene from sherwin williams automotive paint supply. As for compatability issues with toluene, it used to be in all gas(then they said it made baby jesus cry or something) and the can from SW says "automotive grade" on it

I use to use that stuff the stuff I'm using now works better.:tup:

IDZRVIT 09-21-2013 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2411022)
It's unclear that going from 91 to a higher octane will convince the ECU to yield more spark advance -- thus without planning to tune for higher octane levels, I wouldn't worry about it.

Lower octanes, however, run the risk of knock under load, and thus are not recommended.

Also, in what few empirical tests I've ever found, even good octane boosters raise octane by no more than a .5 to 1.5 points. There's a thread on here somewhere with a link...

Finally, depending on the additives, it may wreak havoc on the fuel sender. I say, pass.

Read up on octane and its relationship to engine tuning independently -- good stuff to know about.

I don't recall the source but he was a petroleum engineer who quite bluntly stated octane boosters don't work. He said becuause of the chemical composition of gas you cannot boost octane to any significant degree to make it worthwhile as Jordo mentioned. Save your money and buy VP racing fuel. Yes, its expensive because it really is high octane gas. You wanna play, you gotta pay!

Baer383 09-21-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 2498569)
I don't recall the source but he was a petroleum engineer who quite bluntly stated octane boosters don't work. He said becuause of the chemical composition of gas you cannot boost octane to any significant degree to make it worthwhile as Jordo mentioned. Save your money and buy VP racing fuel. Yes, its expensive because it really is high octane gas. You wanna play, you gotta pay!

Its really funny how I read the Mustang,Corvette,LS1,Subaru,forums and those that use it can run more boost more timing and have no knock, but you guys blast something you don't use, save your comment for someone who can't read or hear.:shakes head:

DEpointfive0 09-21-2013 10:23 AM

Yeahhhh... Torco is the only OTC octane booster that works, other octane boosters that say they bump your octane by 4 points mean .4 octane. But
Torco is serious shít.

Baer383 09-21-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2498653)
Yeahhhh... Torco is the only OTC octane booster that works, other octane boosters that say they bump your octane by 4 points mean .4 octane. But
Torco is serious shít.

I know I use it.:tup:

DEpointfive0 09-21-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2498658)
I know I use it.:tup:

Lol, I'm agreeing with you. I just didn't want to quote IDZ....

Baer383 09-21-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2498660)
Lol, I'm agreeing with you. I just didn't want to quote IDZ....

I know you are.it's all good De5O:hello:

DEpointfive0 09-21-2013 10:45 AM

The spam outbreak is really bad this morning, lol

Baer383 09-21-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2498680)
The spam outbreak is really bad this morning, lol

I know and the Fvckers can't even speak english.:shakes head:

DEpointfive0 09-21-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2498694)
I know and the Fvckers can't even speak english.:shakes head:

I don't think they can speak any language! Lol

1slow370 09-21-2013 08:21 PM

toluene actually pumps your octane too, and it's cheaper, but it isn't as much of a bump as what torco will give you. 5% toluene will take 91 up to somewhere between 95-98. but at 5% you need a gallon of it in a fill up.

1slow370 09-21-2013 08:22 PM

also it doesn't have much effect past 5%

Baer383 09-21-2013 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2499201)
toluene actually pumps your octane too, and it's cheaper, but it isn't as much of a bump as what torco will give you. 5% toluene will take 91 up to somewhere between 95-98. but at 5% you need a gallon of it in a fill up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2499202)
also it doesn't have much effect past 5%

I use to use toluene and xylene but Torco seems to work better judging the logs I read.

skidad62 09-21-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2498584)
Its really funny how I read the Mustang,Corvette,LS1,Subaru,forums and those that use it can run more boost more timing and have no knock, but you guys blast something you don't use, save your comment for someone who can't read or hear.:shakes head:

x2 agreed.

Funny to see the bashing when folks have no experience with it.

I ran Torco on my race tune at over 600 rwhp as extra protection at the track.

It works great and you can bump timing if desired. For me the extra octane was just for protection against detonation at 22 pounds of boost

You can bump 91 octane to 105 - works great

Comes in 32 oz cans - better deal is a 5 gallon can - then I used to move it over to a VP fuel race jug.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ps6c22af5b.gif

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/The-Best-Fuel...87g~~60_35.JPG

synolimit 09-21-2013 09:36 PM

All ohio has 93, where's that chart?

skidad62 09-21-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2499251)
All ohio has 93, where's that chart?

http://torcoracefuel.net/2-docs/acce...r-ratio-93.gif

synolimit 09-21-2013 10:25 PM

Little review...written 11/20/11...$45 to $350 shipped!!! Anyone who buys this bend over...

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psbf838405.jpg




This stuff has been around for a long time, but solid information is hard to find. I want to post this information for others that would like a simple, inexpensive and safe way to fix crap quality gas.

All testing done on a 2011 WRX, Cobb SF intake and Accessport OTS Stage one map installed.

When I first got my AP I was using the ACN map and getting light knock with my local Chevron and Shell 91 in SoCal. Nothing extreme that a little FKL didn't adjust for, but much power lost compared to the OTS 93 (maybe 10hp and 20tq according to Cobb dynos)

In attempt at getting my tank full of some quality gas... I went with 3.5 gallons of VP100 and the rest 91. Car ran good with the 93map but still some light knock. A little more VP100 would have maybe fixed it, but to the tune of an extra $30+ per tank its rediculous for daily driving. Up next was Torco...

I scoured the internet for all info and testimonials, also visited the Torco manufacturer, and bought a couple gallons of it for me and two WRX owning friends to test out. According to Torco you need only 12oz to turn 15gal of 91 into 93. I was skeptical at first and added 16oz to a solid 15gal of Chevron 91. My car takes 15gal at fillup normally because I commute ALOT and run it down a bit into the E.

Results were great! No knock anywhere in many logging sessions. No butt dyno power slumps at any RPM. Same deal on my friends cars. I then stepped down to only 12oz for the next fillup and same perfect results. I even did some 4th and 5th gear WOT bog sessions to make extra sure. I am thinking I'll even try a little less until knock shows up, so I can use the smallest amount or Torco possible.

Torco uses a mixture of Anti-Knock additives to create the same effect of higher octane fuel. The main ingredient is MMT, which is very great at suppressing knock but doesn't burn off completely and can leave residue in your engine and exhaust. This has been shown in engine teardowns where people had been using very high concentrations of Torco to attempt to get gas similar to 105+ octane. Although there was a dusty orange coating from it, it didn't affect performance or damage the engine. I personally wouldnt want this buildup regardless, so I'm not planning on adding 64oz to my tank anytime soon! I also have no use for anything higher than 93 octane at the moment.

So for anyone wanting 93 octane the cheap and easy way, I can recommend Torco. Remember to add only 12oz (a soda can worth) to a full tank of gas to avoid buildup from having more MMT in the cylinders than the combustion process can completely burn off.

Torco costs $45 for 5 tanks of gas worth at retail, and if u have a resell license it drops down to $34. It comes in metal cans, so getting a 12oz fuel system cleaner bottle with a long neck is ideal. It will pre-measure for you and make it super quick to pull out of the trunk and dump in the tank at the gas station. Try not to spill it on your car or skin, or breath the fumes as its highly toxic.

1slow370 09-21-2013 10:50 PM

good stuff, i'm not hating on torco or anything but now i wonder what a tank of 91 + torco + toluene + 5% propylene oxide would do..

1slow370 09-21-2013 11:57 PM

or get a meth injection setup but fill the bottle with nitro instead( yeh gonna need a tune and 5 gals is $200)

synolimit 09-22-2013 12:52 AM

If you want octane go Aquamist meth injection and boost juice! Costs a lot less because you only use it when you push the go peddle.

---- 806-063 ---- HFS3-v3 PWM valve system - aquamist-direct.com

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sno-40008/overview/

DEpointfive0 09-22-2013 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2499201)
toluene actually pumps your octane too, and it's cheaper, but it isn't as much of a bump as what torco will give you. 5% toluene will take 91 up to somewhere between 95-98. but at 5% you need a gallon of it in a fill up.

Might want to retry that math
Toluene has an AKI of 114

1 gallon in 19 gallons of 91 takes it to a solid 92

Baer383 09-22-2013 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2499350)
If you want octane go Aquamist meth injection and boost juice! Costs a lot less because you only use it when you push the go peddle.

---- 806-063 ---- HFS3-v3 PWM valve system - aquamist-direct.com

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sno-40008/overview/

I had the snow performance meth on it and the car response better with the Torco so I guess that you know where to inject your review.:rolleyes:

IDZRVIT 09-22-2013 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2499274)
Little review...written 11/20/11...$45 to $350 shipped!!! Anyone who buys this bend over...

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psbf838405.jpg




This stuff has been around for a long time, but solid information is hard to find. I want to post this information for others that would like a simple, inexpensive and safe way to fix crap quality gas.

All testing done on a 2011 WRX, Cobb SF intake and Accessport OTS Stage one map installed.

When I first got my AP I was using the ACN map and getting light knock with my local Chevron and Shell 91 in SoCal. Nothing extreme that a little FKL didn't adjust for, but much power lost compared to the OTS 93 (maybe 10hp and 20tq according to Cobb dynos)

In attempt at getting my tank full of some quality gas... I went with 3.5 gallons of VP100 and the rest 91. Car ran good with the 93map but still some light knock. A little more VP100 would have maybe fixed it, but to the tune of an extra $30+ per tank its rediculous for daily driving. Up next was Torco...

I scoured the internet for all info and testimonials, also visited the Torco manufacturer, and bought a couple gallons of it for me and two WRX owning friends to test out. According to Torco you need only 12oz to turn 15gal of 91 into 93. I was skeptical at first and added 16oz to a solid 15gal of Chevron 91. My car takes 15gal at fillup normally because I commute ALOT and run it down a bit into the E.

Results were great! No knock anywhere in many logging sessions. No butt dyno power slumps at any RPM. Same deal on my friends cars. I then stepped down to only 12oz for the next fillup and same perfect results. I even did some 4th and 5th gear WOT bog sessions to make extra sure. I am thinking I'll even try a little less until knock shows up, so I can use the smallest amount or Torco possible.

Torco uses a mixture of Anti-Knock additives to create the same effect of higher octane fuel. The main ingredient is MMT, which is very great at suppressing knock but doesn't burn off completely and can leave residue in your engine and exhaust. This has been shown in engine teardowns where people had been using very high concentrations of Torco to attempt to get gas similar to 105+ octane. Although there was a dusty orange coating from it, it didn't affect performance or damage the engine. I personally wouldnt want this buildup regardless, so I'm not planning on adding 64oz to my tank anytime soon! I also have no use for anything higher than 93 octane at the moment.

So for anyone wanting 93 octane the cheap and easy way, I can recommend Torco. Remember to add only 12oz (a soda can worth) to a full tank of gas to avoid buildup from having more MMT in the cylinders than the combustion process can completely burn off.

Torco costs $45 for 5 tanks of gas worth at retail, and if u have a resell license it drops down to $34. It comes in metal cans, so getting a 12oz fuel system cleaner bottle with a long neck is ideal. It will pre-measure for you and make it super quick to pull out of the trunk and dump in the tank at the gas station. Try not to spill it on your car or skin, or breath the fumes as its highly toxic.

Hmmm, creating the same effect. That doesn't read "boosts octane". Btw, this must be true because I read it in the internet!:tup:

Baer383 09-22-2013 09:49 AM

Again comments from people who don't use the stuff.

I'm out ,can't defend against some people with a lack experience with this product.:shakes head:

synolimit 09-22-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2499404)
I had the snow performance meth on it and the car response better with the Torco so I guess that you know where to inject your review.:rolleyes:

I doubt u tested enough to make that conclusion. There are way to many jets, tuning settings in timing, and amounts of torco you could just be dumping into the tank to ever know whats best. Being a scientist you'd have to have a base study, several tanks of each with different amounts, tune each tank like it was the first tune, dyno's for all, it'd take days!

Whats worse than people saying stuff doesn't work they don't use is all you people and your butt dyno's that never show proof and every part anyone ever makes is the most amazing part ever created for any car ever.

When youre ready ill be here waiting for back to back dyno's, logs of timing, and logs of knock vs no knock and then we can all decide if a mind blowing freaking $21-$42 a tank!!!! is worth a few HP on a car with no boost. :tup:

Baer383 09-22-2013 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2499586)
I doubt u tested enough to make that conclusion. There are way to many jets, tuning settings in timing, and amounts of torco you could just be dumping into the tank to ever know whats best. Being a scientist you'd have to have a base study, several tanks of each with different amounts, tune each tank like it was the first tune, dyno's for all, it'd take days!

Whats worse than people saying stuff doesn't work they don't use is all you people and your butt dyno's that never show proof and every part anyone ever makes is the most amazing part ever created for any car ever.

When youre ready ill be here waiting for back to back dyno's, logs of timing, and logs of knock vs no knock and then we can all decide if a mind blowing freaking $21-$42 a tank!!!! is worth a few HP on a car with no boost. :tup:

I have been using it for 2 years on 2 different SC 370z and tune my own car,and the head tuner @ Z1 motorsports is extremly impressed on the way it runs and the timing it pulls @ 7k.

I think you guys should talk or read about people who use it I think you would change your tune.

Mixing racing gas would be better but for the price of 110 octane fuel vs Torco,it only cost $19 a tank extra and I can afford it.

IDZRVIT 09-22-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2499514)
Again comments from people who don't use the stuff.

I'm out ,can't defend against some people with a lack experience with this product.:shakes head:

I didn't say it wouldn't improve performance so learn to read what people write before you make your rude comments. Like I stated earlier, you can't raise the octane of gasoline out of any can. So go back and figure out what this additive is actually doing and report back.

Baer383 09-22-2013 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2499593)
I have been using it for 2 years on 2 different SC 370z and tune my own car,and the head tuner @ Z1 motorsports is extremly impressed on the way it runs and the timing it pulls @ 7k.

I think you guys should talk or read about people who use it I think you would change your tune.

Mixing racing gas would be better but for the price of 110 octane fuel vs Torco,it only cost $19 a tank extra and I can afford it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 2499693)
I didn't say it wouldn't improve performance so learn to read what people write before you make your rude comments. Like I stated earlier, you can't raise the octane of gasoline out of any can. So go back and figure out what this additive is actually doing and report back.

See quote above.:tiphat:


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