now imagine that intake manifold with actual power gains.. its a win win :tup: except for our pockets of course :ughdance: lol

yea i think this was the thread you were trying to make. i took up for you tho. you were just saying things wrong.

I'm waiting for aftermarket heads. Cosworth made aftermarket Heads for the 350z. Waiting on Cams. Jun cams dont come with enough info. I hope Brian Crower of JWT can make cams for our car. And im wanting on that kinetix manifold to be functional it looks amazing. We have more 370z's on the road then GTR's but yet the GTR has everything you could want and more.

GTR owners have the $$$ to spend. While I believe 370z owners are not penny pinchers, I think the majority are happy with bolt-ons/tune or FI. The road/race guys seem to be fast enough staying NA with mostly stock motors.

There is a car with 340whp +.. and even more actually...

I mean there just doesn't seem to be as big of a market. I think "Navyboy" is the only one with after market cams... tough to want to make more or have more options when they're not a popular mod already. Also there's headers out there like the 5zigen ones that are also untested/no one uses them.

Definitely agree about the intake manifold though, it's an easy install and so far only one option.

Why do we need more tuning softwares? To try and crack VVEL? No use, seems like the support there is non existent. Uprev is doing just fine and is proven to work with most FI systems. We need the real intake mani that are metal and not plastic mani's from previous models. How can we go direct port nitrous without a good metal intake mani? Why can't we get larger throttle bodies that are bigger than just 2mm bigger like The one Jun makes? You'll probably argue cost N/A vs F/I but what if one chooses to stay N/A? There are many platforms out there that make more power F/I but still many choose to stay N/A even with the huge cost difference. Why can't we get support like that?

550whp is not considered super car status when new V8's are coming out with 500-600 hp stock like the Camaro, Corvette, Shelby Mustang, and new Trans Am.

Now that we're beating a dead horse...

I'm going to chime in on the FRS/BRZ comments. I don't know about any of you but I know that for the last 17 years of my time on this earth behind the wheel of a car and very much into racing (especially autoX) I can honestly say I had not once ever heard of the 86. NOT ONCE. It is a propaganda thing. When one editor in MT magazine spouts off about the FRS and says some manufacturer is going to remake it, suddenly every ricer boy in the world suddenly becomes an expert on the subject matter and has actually formed opinions about the vehicles handling prior to ever stepping foot in one. It is all in the hype. Toyota and Subaru did pretty well to exploit this one the way they did. They certainly won over a segment. But do you honestly think it really mattered what they named it? It is the FRS/BRZ. Nothing even remotely close to FT-86. But people still defend the name as if they remember driving one on long, spirited treks back in the good 'ole days before they were even born.

So that is how you wind up with support. Manufacturer hype and a waiting list extending out 3 years in certain parts of the world. It is guaranteed business. And I forget who is doing it but someone has almost 600whp, if not more by now, on stock internals. Once they blow the motor they'll know its' limits and will go into further development. I don't think the Z is done yet as most development happens at the 3-5 year mark after a release. But I don't think people are chomping at the bit for cams and Eagle rods and 900,000 lph fuel pumps and meth kits. People take these to the track, yes, but they aren't you average serious autoX car. Like another poster said in another thread, the Z is more of a GT car. I can't quite remember the rest but it pointed out that while it isn't the lightest it isn't the heaviest. While it isn't the fastest, it isn't the slowest. I think they made a good point. It is a car to do basic bolt ons and FI if you wish and it can handle and respond well to FI. But beyond that, 330hp stock isn't too shabby. Enough to the point that the majority of consumers aren't even going to think about modding it let alone ever figure out this site exists.

Given that between the 350 and 370, it has held for 11 years or so with not much of a change in body style or engine power and VVEL it is no wonder that no one wants to make parts. I don't blame them. I'll do whatever parts I think are necessary but I myself, a huge tuner type, got this car to leave the engine alone until last... for once.

Jun did not market those cams at all. No one want's to take on a project like that blind. Not knowing what you need to go along withhe cams. We dont even know what type of power navyboy made. So we still dont know if its worth it.

My $2. Think the whole thing boils down to is VVEL. That is a bag of snakes that the aftermarket does not want to get into. Not enough money on return from investment. They are only going to go so far for the most dollar. If our engines did not have VVEL. Think you would see cams out there for it, and other stuff too. Right now, we have 2 software companies working on VVEL (UpRev? and EcuTek?). BUT no other companies that make the hard parts that go with it. So, until that happens......................nothing of importance. Just more shifter knobs. :mad:

I think this is the issue. Why bother developing parts that you can't tune for? If vvel tuning becomes commonplace, so will mods that require it.

Of course, I agree - for non force induction, I feel like there is still lots of room on the table. I mean, lets assume minus driveline loss, the car is making 650 on the stock motor - that's quite impressive. And what car also has such a nice chassis, drives well, good ultimate grip, in our MSRP price range? Mustangs also drive well, but that is a debate for another thread. :icon17:

while i agree with you on the manufacture hype point, i do feel a lot of the aftermarket support comes from name brand, case and point with honda, almost every honda has a carb approved turbo kit(fit and s2k are the first that come to mind), and NA they have everything from basic bolt ons to custom cams, intake manifolds, and engine swap guides
heck even the honda insight has turbo kits and custom cams, and thats a f**king hybrid

Nissan while a big company, will never be as big(in terms of aftermarket support) as honda, toyota, subaru, Mitsubishi, and Mazda because the type of people who buy Nissans are usually adults/teens who are looking for a cheap cars so they can DD them, the few who actually want to modify Nissans usually go for the 370z, G37, 350z, G35, and GTR(which even then some those buyers get those cars for comfort, DD, luxury, and/or mid-life crisis)

while i think unlocking VVEL will help out the aftermarket support for our cars specifically, it probably won't do much, maybe some more cams and headers but i don't think it will get much bigger than what we already have


on a side note though, i think its good that our cars don't need to be tuned too much to be fast cars all around, stock its already pretty fast and it realistically can't get much faster aside from adding FI(its not like a civic where a modded civic will smoke a stock civic, but with our cars, a stock car isnt that much slower than a bolt-on car) and with that said, i am happy(for the most part) with the aftermarket options we have for the 370z, i wish there was more carb approved supercharger kits and more supercharger kits all around but i honestly can't complain

Hey guys I wanted to chime in. I like all the talk about the NA and how many people would like to see more power adders besides force induction. I respect those guys that have it but I really like the NA application. I haven't really been able to explore the power yet with uprev due to my current deployment. I will be doing data logging for uprev when I get back to Guam. The question I have for you is what parts would u like to see developed for these cars. I know a lot of companies the states don't develop the parts I believe due to no demand. I think when the car is around for a little longer u will see a wider variety of parts. The z34 motor haven't really been around long and still kinda new. All we can do is keep requesting these companies to explore and develop parts so they know we are here to stay and not put so much into that underpowered 2.0 boxer engine. Hahaha As soon as I get the chance I will get the car dynoed and numbers up for everyone.

Its because the brz/frs share tires with a prius, they have been out for years! Sounds like many ppl here need to go buy mustangs and camaros. I could of bought one, but its not my style, you can get 400+ with bolt ons, there you go. We have mid level sports cars, its fun to drive, looks great and there are few on the road(thus also why there is no support). I can count as many stangs and camaros in one trip to wal mart as I can seeing total of 370's around here. Enjoy what you have, if you want those other cars, go buy one. I got beat by and awd audi with 263k on it(in a completely legal race of course) was I a little upset, yes, but really WHO CARES? A guy at work has a srt-4 swapped neon that will rip the face off some exotics... The Z turns heads, has enough power to have fun, and with 7k I can crank out 500whp with some boost, that is plenty of power for a street driven car, actually probably too much, I love how one detail or two about another car gets us all worked up!