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370zDR 11-14-2012 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dthem370 (Post 2015304)
I'm currently in the process of having it done on my car right now. I have a 7AT and SpecialtyZ will be installing them on December 6th. I will make a new thread with video comparison of the RPMs at different speeds with stock and 4.08s. For the 7AT, you will lose cruise control and you need the differential housing from a 6MT for the gear swap.


Great people to deal with at SpecialtyZ. Sebs did my car's tuning.

Do You also have to loose SRM on the 7AT?

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Put her on the bottle. A 370z with full bolt ons and a 125 shot will be moving pretty damn fast. Nitrous kits and nice install only runs about $1,000 so its cheaper than a gear install and a nice cbe. If i were in your position and wanted a lot of power without spending the $15k+ for FI, i would opt for a solid nitrous kit, full bolt ons, gears, lsd, tires, and a tune.
In my case I'm more of a track junkie, love going to track days and autocross almost every other weekend, so nitrous is not going to work it for me.

DIGItonium 11-14-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2014459)
whats that? straight trade for your car? ok deal!

:driving:

Haha, the trade + cash idea might work. Then we'll switch some stuff over like wheels. Then you'll end up with my LED mods and such. I might be better off selling a stock-ish 370Z.

dthem370 11-14-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zDR (Post 2015435)
Great people to deal with at SpecialtyZ. Sebs did my car's tuning.

Do You also have to loose SRM on the 7AT?

:iagree: Seb did the tuning on my car as well. Awesome guy! That's why I took my car back to him for the gears.

You don't lose down shift rev matching on the 7AT. However, I read it is off by a little. Same goes for the manuals. One member stated it was off by around 300 rpms (6MT) and that it wasn't even that noticeable.

Mike 11-14-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2013199)
What mods did u have before?

Also, is z1 thevonly place that can do vvel tuning? Only reason i ask, is i'm nowhere close to them

New test pipes are required for these correct?

before:
Stillen Gen 3
Berk TP
Invidia Gemini exhaust
Z1 tune
Also had a motordyne manifold for a couple weeks, but it did nothing at all for me, so I took it off and sold it.

difference now:
rear muffler section removed and replaced with glass packs to make room for diff cooler
headers and test pipes.

Z370Z011 11-14-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dthem370 (Post 2015371)
I would say like a 2-3 mpg difference from what I have read. 6MT will not lose cruise control but I heard that SRM will turn off after exceeding around 120MPH, but after turning the car off and back on, the SRM works again. This is just information I have read from doing research on the gears.

Do you think the 4.08 Gears will be a bad thing for drift application or autocross?
As in, they may be too short? And will have to be switching gears more times than needed?

binary0x01 11-14-2012 08:28 PM

I'm going to Seb's shop on Dec 3rd for a bunch of stuff to install. Gonna ask about the gears, see what's worth it.

I think the smartest thing to do for more power, is to research a turbo kit and go with it :)

esfourteen 11-14-2012 08:39 PM

one word, boost. I wish i saved all my money trying to avoid it. I did everything under the sun: intake/plenum, long tube headers, 4.08 gears, flywheel, crank pulley, uprev. Wasn't enough to scratch my itch heh

edub370 11-15-2012 11:08 AM

yea. its looking like im down to boosting the car. reliability worries me with boosting these cars tho

NYBladeZ 11-15-2012 11:16 AM

Common problem for a lot of N/A guys. I had long tube headers along with all the other bolt-on's minus the gears and pulleys. I didn't want pulleys bc there is a possibility albeit a remote one that you could set off your harmonic balancer and such risk wasn't work ~7whp. In hindsight gears would have been a great mod, I had 4.10's on my bolt-on 2004 Mustang GT and it was great, you will run at a slightly higher rpm while highway cruising but not enough to offset the gains in acceleration. Gears don't add power, they just get you into the meat of the powerband faster.

The reality is that the VQ37 is very well tuned from factory, after exhaust mods there just isn't much left to do. VVEL limitations have been discussed a million times over but really only the F/I guys stand to see real gains from it. That in itself is a problem because the potential market is very very small.

Go boost, it won't be cheap but if done right I'm sure it can be reliable. If that doesn't work for you sell and get a new platform to work with, parting out is a pain though.

SPOHN 11-15-2012 11:50 AM

If you guys want more thrill. Stay NA and track your car. It cost also but not as much as Going FI. You will more than satisfy some real needs.

edub370 11-15-2012 11:55 AM

of all the blown motors i have seem from fi, it seems like most were running higher than 9-10psi. havent seen many issues with ~8psi of boost on here

esfourteen 11-15-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2017586)
of all the blown motors i have seem from fi, it seems like most were running higher than 9-10psi. havent seen many issues with ~8psi of boost on here

it's not so much about the boost in those cases, its the torque. with the correct timing adjustments our cars can run 12psi on 93 with stock compression. I would just advise staying in the range of 450-500whp/400-440tq, don't get greedy.

Find a good tuner, keep power within limits of stock internals, reduce boost when it gets colder out (cold weather == 30-50+hp). for the sake of your bearings, keep oil temps low (< 230), let the car warm up properly (> 160), change oil regularly. your engine should hold up for quite awhile.

with that said, anything can happen. be prepared to build. my engine just got finished at the machine shop, time for assembly :tup:

NYBladeZ 11-15-2012 03:42 PM

Built motor z34's are slowing coming out. Who is building your Z in LI? I'd love to check it out first hand.

edub370 11-15-2012 04:07 PM

must... resists urge... to buy... sts kit...

esfourteen 11-15-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2018046)
must... resists urge... to buy... sts kit...

personal opinion: get in line for Boosted Performance mid mount or go GTM twins if you cant wait for that. I love twins but it would have taken me days to install the BP kit vs weeks for the GTM kit. I still have flashbacks of laying on the floor drilling my head...

esfourteen 11-15-2012 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 2018007)
Built motor z34's are slowing coming out. Who is building your Z in LI? I'd love to check it out first hand.

short block was spec'd/machined/balanced by PCHS in Bohemia, assembly is going to be done by Real Auto Dynamics in Oceanside as I no longer have a place to work on my car :mad:

Mr.Squeeze 11-15-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2018332)
personal opinion: get in line for Boosted Performance mid mount or go GTM twins if you cant wait for that. I love twins but it would have taken me days to install the BP kit vs weeks for the GTM kit. I still have flashbacks of laying on the floor drilling my head...


I agree get the mid mount kit, it just makes going boost so much easier by saving money.

Bert_12Z 12-19-2013 05:54 AM

Has anyone made a stroker kit for the vq37?
They way things sound makes me wanna do a fully built nitrous setup or maybe even look into sourcing a set of vvel cams. Theres always my thoughts of swapping to a SR or RB motor

edub370 12-19-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert_12Z (Post 2616432)
Has anyone made a stroker kit for the vq37?
They way things sound makes me wanna do a fully built nitrous setup or maybe even look into sourcing a set of vvel cams. Theres always my thoughts of swapping to a SR or RB motor

4.2L stroker
GTM Motorsports*::*ENGINE INTERNALS*::*GTM 4.2 L Stroker kit-For the VQ35HR & VQ37VHR


4.5L stroker
GTM Motorsports*::*ENGINE INTERNALS*::*GTM 4.5 L Stroker kit-For the VQ35HR & VQ37VHR

an SR swap????

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SPOHN 12-19-2013 10:29 AM

^ and a two year wait. Lol

JWillis72 12-19-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2017573)
If you guys want more thrill. Stay NA and track your car. It cost also but not as much as Going FI. You will more than satisfy some real needs.

Why not FI and track the car?

Chuck33079 12-19-2013 10:40 AM

Doesn't Crower make a stroker kit? Nothing says you have to get it from GTM. You'd pretty much be in uncharted territory doing a big NA build though. You might spend 15k on a built stroker motor to make stock block turbo kit power.

SPOHN 12-19-2013 11:14 AM

NA is simpler. Less heat, less moving parts, lighter weight, and realiability.

Chuck33079 12-19-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2616940)
NA is simpler. Less heat, less moving parts, lighter weight, and realiability.

There's no guarantee a built race motor is going to be substantially more reliable than a FI setup.

SPOHN 12-19-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2616946)
There's no guarantee a built race motor is going to be substantially more reliable than a FI setup.

That's always true in any case. But a good quality builder on E85 will just about ensure its longevity.

synolimit 12-19-2013 11:29 AM

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Here's my before and after OBX eBay LTH, no tune.

Chuck33079 12-19-2013 11:31 AM

For what a good, reliable stroker setup would cost, you could be deep into the "figure out how to stuff a LS into it" territory.

synolimit 12-19-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2616996)
For what a good, reliable stroker setup would cost, you could be deep into the "figure out how to stuff a LS into it" territory.

What's wrong with the GTM 550HP built motor for $25,000 :roflpuke2:?

Chuck33079 12-19-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2617004)
What's wrong with the GTM 550HP built motor for $25,000 :roflpuke2:?

Nothing at all. If you order it today, they can have it shipped to you by Christmas. Of 2024. :rofl2:

JWillis72 12-19-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2617008)
Nothing at all. If you order it today, they can have it shipped to you by Christmas. Of 2024. :rofl2:

Are you a betting man?


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