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zellsexy 06-24-2012 12:54 PM

you never have to change your oil. in grand trismo my z has like 20 k miles and i havent changed the oil and it runs amazing =p

Shamu 06-24-2012 01:22 PM

Thing makes me laugh often is people will spend tons of money on synthetic oil and then use a cheap crappy oil filter. Oil filter in my opinion is more critical than brand of synthetic oil that is approved for our cars.

If you have a good filter and your putting mostly highway miles on your car there is no reason you can't go for 5000 miles safely.

I'm not a fan of keeping contaminants in motor much longer than that.

6MT 06-24-2012 01:36 PM

déjà-vu all over again...:facepalm:

wdkwang 06-24-2012 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zellsexy (Post 1788611)
you never have to change your oil. in grand trismo my z has like 20 k miles and i havent changed the oil and it runs amazing =p

U got jokes

10splaya22 06-24-2012 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdkwang (Post 1787655)
It is as simple as checking your dipstick.
I thought I could just stick to a 7500 mile interval with Redline like in the DIY that AK370 made but I realized at the next oil change how black it was. Since then, I've adjusted it to about 5000 miles. It really just depends on how hard you drive it. I drift mine and frequently hit redline

You can't base it off color, why not do an oil analysis to see the real condition of the oil?

wdkwang 06-24-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 10splaya22 (Post 1789169)
You can't base it off color, why not do an oil analysis to see the real condition of the oil?

not worth the trouble. i rather just do the oil change at a shorter interval

Wabby 370z 06-27-2012 12:46 PM

Castrol Fully Syntheic Oil. I change every 3000 miles.

DLSTR 06-27-2012 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdkwang (Post 1789218)
not worth the trouble. i rather just do the oil change at a shorter interval

It will do a few things for you--- Oil Analysis
-Give you the status/condition of your motor
-Confirm that you can or should change later
-Save you money for something else or your savings account



Educate yourself soon - Here is a news article and analysis of the issue from April 2012:
http://autos.sympatico.ca/maintenanc...d-for-your-car

joshs09slvrZ 06-28-2012 07:35 AM

I get a page cannot be found message.

mantella87 06-28-2012 09:41 AM

Do not listen to fuzzywuzzy.

DLSTR 06-28-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by joshs09slvrZ (Post 1795545)
I get a page cannot be found message.

Extended drain: Are longer oil change intervals good for your car? - Sympatico.ca Autos

Jordo! 06-28-2012 03:20 PM

Redline is good. I will have a new UOA soon to verify, but check out the Oil Nerd's thread where I have posted data.

However, regardless of oil, I have (tentatively) concluded based on several different 370's UOA's that the optimal interval is about 4K for mixed city highway driving (not surprisingly, this is close to Nissan's recommendation too).

joshs09slvrZ 06-28-2012 03:44 PM

Kind of off topic...but what are you guys using for postage for these oil analysis? I was thinking of putting a couple stamps on the black bottle they sent me...but would that be enough?

DLSTR 06-28-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1796538)
Redline is good. I will have a new UOA soon to verify, but check out the Oil Nerd's thread where I have posted data.

However, regardless of oil, I have (tentatively) concluded based on several different 370's UOA's that the optimal interval is about 4K for mixed city highway driving (not surprisingly, this is close to Nissan's recommendation too).

3750 for hard use per the manual?? Your UOA from Blackstone said you should go 6000miles next time.

Porsche using Mobil 1 here in Germany recommends 12000km/7500miles for an oil change on a Twin Turbo. That car makes much more heat and here can be driven fast/hard depending on the owner. Id stick with the 6000mi recommendation from your post on the oil nerds thread.

I will be changing Mobil-1 5/30 again this summer here and getting my first UOA and will post it. Beyond that its a minimum of 5000miles for me with synthetic, if not more. The oils just are much better now. No need to waste money at all. Or more time changing it/visiting the dealer.

bushman66 06-28-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1796618)
3750 for hard use per the manual?? Your UOA from Blackstone said you should go 6000miles next time.

Porsche using Mobil 1 here in Germany recommends 12000km/7500miles for an oil change on a Twin Turbo. That car makes much more heat and here can be driven fast/hard depending on the owner. Id stick with the 6000mi recommendation from your post on the oil nerds thread.

I will be changing Mobil-1 5/30 again this summer here and getting my first UOA and will post it. Beyond that its a minimum of 5000miles for me with synthetic, if not more. The oils just are much better now. No need to waste money at all. Or more time changing it/visiting the dealer.

Agreed 100%.

adampetrasek 06-28-2012 05:35 PM

I run redline and change oil around 3k miles... i'd rather change oil way too early then even a little too late. It's not that big of an expense to warrant getting every last bit of life out of the oil.

If it's true that you can run redline 5k or even 7.5k miles safely then by all means; go for it. I'll stick to playing it safe and sticking to the owners manual. That way i can feel comfortable.

I run Mobil 1 Extended Performance in my truck that gets driven once or twice a week. and I have no problem going 10k miles between changes. but i dont care much about the truck like i do the Z.

I'm not trying to state facts, or change anyone's opinions, just stating mine. :)

NeverBoneStck 06-28-2012 07:17 PM

I have been running redline and I change my oil at 7500 with plenty of additive left . I was running until 7500 and sent a oil sample to BlackStone .. They said everything looks great and run the oil til 10,000 miles .. If it looks good I will change every 10,000 .. I abuse my car daily ..

binary0x01 06-28-2012 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck (Post 1796881)
I have been running redline and I change my oil at 7500 with plenty of additive left . I was running until 7500 and sent a oil sample to BlackStone .. They said everything looks great and run the oil til 10,000 miles .. If it looks good I will change every 10,000 .. I abuse my car daily ..

:iagree: The Z ain't just for looking at that's fo sho

joshs09slvrZ 06-29-2012 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck (Post 1796881)
I have been running redline and I change my oil at 7500 with plenty of additive left . I was running until 7500 and sent a oil sample to BlackStone .. They said everything looks great and run the oil til 10,000 miles .. If it looks good I will change every 10,000 .. I abuse my car daily ..

Holy cow!! What type of filter were you using?

mantella87 06-29-2012 09:27 AM

Redline is the best oil, period. I'm going to pick up 6 quarts of it today. 7,500 miles between changes is fine.

joshs09slvrZ 06-30-2012 09:46 AM

Update: Changed my oil yesterday. Not that we can really go by color...but I can definitely say it wasn't black...I would say...maybe a darker brown color lol.

Sending off my sample today to get tested. We'll see what they say about 6400 mile old oil!

10splaya22 06-30-2012 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshs09slvrZ (Post 1799303)
Update: Changed my oil yesterday. Not that we can really go by color...but I can definitely say it wasn't black...I would say...maybe a darker brown color lol.

Sending off my sample today to get tested. We'll see what they say about 6400 mile old oil!

How long does it usually take to get results?

NeverBoneStck 06-30-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshs09slvrZ (Post 1797501)
Holy cow!! What type of filter were you using?

Bosch oil filter ..

DLSTR 07-01-2012 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshs09slvrZ (Post 1799303)
Update: Changed my oil yesterday. Not that we can really go by color...but I can definitely say it wasn't black...I would say...maybe a darker brown color lol.

Sending off my sample today to get tested. We'll see what they say about 6400 mile old oil!

Looking foward to this!

efuseakay 07-01-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1777066)
I know I know :) Im in Germany and my mechs laugh out loud mind you, how we p-ss oil down the drain. Modern oils are so strong and durable most here just dont get it.
Example - The current model Porsche Turbo 911 uses Mobil 1 and the dealer doesnt want to see you until 7500miles that's12000 kilometers. New or used doesnt matter. Talk about heat generation in that machine!

My VW dealer says 30,000 kilometers on my new GTI. Using the VW long life oil. I noticed they dont have a yard full of blown engines because of this either....Hmmmmmmm.

In any case folks should do an oil analysis and see where their motor is to begin with and look long and hard at how you actually do drive.

The 3000mile oil change is long dead. Not only that back in the 70's many cars had 6000mil oil changes in the manuals not 3000mi. That was on Dino oil, non synthetic. What was the old phrase about a sucker being born......

:hello:

That's all well and good, but it's meaningless. We are talking about Nissan.

cossie1600 07-01-2012 11:16 PM

I still change mine at 3750 for that reason, but then it is pretty hard to get them to pay for anything under warranty

Supremee 07-01-2012 11:35 PM

HOLY shiettt. why 7000+? I dont see a reason to cheap out bro, be safe and change it at 3500.. maybe 4000 the most.

DLSTR 07-02-2012 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by efuseakay (Post 1801235)
That's all well and good, but it's meaningless. We are talking about Nissan.

Glad you can read. The oils in general are better that before. A car creating high temps like a turbo 911 here in Germany would be breaking down the oil fairly quickly and still the interval for them is 7500miles. The oil they use is Mobil 1 and many 370Z owners here use it. I provided that as a comparison.

Also the Nissan dealers here use a 15000-kilometer service interval for the 370.
SO beyond that have a nice day! Thanks for letting me know I was in a Nissan forum. Fancy that!

Also the dealer here uses German Castrol 5-30 for the 370Z. Its known to be a good oil.

samb03 07-02-2012 04:12 AM

from what I have researched, the full synthetic ie. Mobile One can go the distance. I still don't like going over 5K with it. The ester oils are a good lubricant but are short lived and need to be replaced every 3 like conventional oil

IDZRVIT 07-02-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1801403)
Glad you can read. The oils in general are better that before. A car creating high temps like a turbo 911 here in Germany would be breaking down the oil fairly quickly and still the interval for them is 7500miles. The oil they use is Mobil 1 and many 370Z owners here use it. I provided that as a comparison.

Also the Nissan dealers here use a 15000-kilometer service interval for the 370.
SO beyond that have a nice day! Thanks for letting me know I was in a Nissan forum. Fancy that!

Also the dealer here uses German Castrol 5-30 for the 370Z. Its known to be a good oil.

It's nice to see someone like yourself on the forum who actually knows what they are talking about. Too many idiots in here with selective reading (knowledge gained in forums, sheesh) that wouldn't know the difference between a connecting rod and a push rod. But they now own a sports car and magically are smarter than all the engineers on the planet.

DLSTR 07-02-2012 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 1801587)
It's nice to see someone like yourself on the forum who actually knows what they are talking about. Too many idiots in here with selective reading (knowledge gained in forums, sheesh) that wouldn't know the difference between a connecting rod and a push rod. But they now own a sports car and magically are smarter than all the engineers on the planet.

There is so much good information out there these days and its easily missed given the sheer volume of data and how rapidly it is disseminated.

Its like asking if you need anesthesia for a filling with some of the folks around cars forums. You just dont need to take the pain(cost/time of needless oil changes) when the tech readily exists to make your life sooooooooooooo much easier! :)

DLSTR 07-02-2012 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samb03 (Post 1801407)
from what I have researched, the full synthetic ie. Mobile One can go the distance. I still don't like going over 5K with it. The ester oils are a good lubricant but are short lived and need to be replaced every 3 like conventional oil

Sure thats rational for the non synth. The RedLine can go much further and we have posted UOA's here showing it.

joshs09slvrZ 07-02-2012 08:19 PM

Sending off tomorrow...should be a couple weeks before I get the report back.

anthonyy 07-02-2012 09:05 PM

:barf::argue::facepalm:

efuseakay 07-03-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1801403)
Glad you can read. The oils in general are better that before. A car creating high temps like a turbo 911 here in Germany would be breaking down the oil fairly quickly and still the interval for them is 7500miles. The oil they use is Mobil 1 and many 370Z owners here use it. I provided that as a comparison.

Also the Nissan dealers here use a 15000-kilometer service interval for the 370.
SO beyond that have a nice day! Thanks for letting me know I was in a Nissan forum. Fancy that!

Also the dealer here uses German Castrol 5-30 for the 370Z. Its known to be a good oil.

Yes. I can read just fine. You would have been better off with your point by sparing us with "Porsche this, VW that".

Oil analysis is the way to go for anyone wanting to push their oil further. Pretty obvious.

MacLean 07-03-2012 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck (Post 1796881)
I have been running redline and I change my oil at 7500 with plenty of additive left . I was running until 7500 and sent a oil sample to BlackStone .. They said everything looks great and run the oil til 10,000 miles .. If it looks good I will change every 10,000 .. I abuse my car daily ..


Quote:

Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 1796917)
:iagree: The Z ain't just for looking at that's fo sho

:iagree: Times have changed & a lot of things have gotten a lot better over time (oil, engines & etc......). As the first quote stated the gentlemen changed his oil at 7.5k miles & abused his car daily & the analysis came back to run the oil until 10k miles. Everyone have there on opinion on when they want to change their oil. If you want to change your oil every week go ahead & do so.

DLSTR 07-04-2012 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by efuseakay (Post 1804499)
Yes. I can read just fine. You would have been better off with your point by sparing us with "Porsche this, VW that".

Oil analysis is the way to go for anyone wanting to push their oil further. Pretty obvious.

Earth shattering news. Spare you nothing. Funny you use the word us lol!

I never knew I had to clear my posts with you. Pathetic.

IDZRVIT 07-04-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by efuseakay (Post 1804499)
Yes. I can read just fine. You would have been better off with your point by sparing us with "Porsche this, VW that".

Oil analysis is the way to go for anyone wanting to push their oil further. Pretty obvious.

For folks like yourself who need that extra security, then keep getting your analysis. I have yet to have one in 40+ years of car ownership along with millions of others and never had an engine failure related to oil going 'bad'. Oh, btw, I did OA at one time way back when I was in the navy. OA has it's place - in industry, race car teams, military, etc. But for the everyday guy who doesn't track his car it's a waste of money to have them tell you that your good to the next oil change. Hmmm, come to think of it, it's pretty obvious the engineers have had this figured out for decades. How do you think they came up with those oil change schedules?

joshs09slvrZ 07-11-2012 08:36 PM

Hey guys! I got my lab report back today, (I'm not going to post the actual report because it has some of my info on it and I don't feel like blacking stuff out right now). If you want specifics, let me know.

This is for Redline full synthetic oil with the Purolator Pure 1 oil filter. I ran this oil and filter for 6,400 miles before changing. My car is a daily driver and hasn't been tracked.

Blackstone states that the universal averages for our engines are based on an oil run of 4,800 miles. I ran this oil for 6,400 and all wear averages read below the average. My TBN read 1.9 (a low reading would be 1), which means that my oil still had some active additives left. No moisture, coolant or fuel was found in my sample and the insolubles were excellent at 0.2% (which means that the Purolator filter is doing an excellent job; also the magnetic drain plug probably helped). Blackstone labs suggests running the oil to 7,500 miles next time and then do another test.

These are just my results and not everyone will be the same...but hopefully this gives everyone a pretty good idea at just how good this oil and filter combo is (and totally worth the money).

anthonyy 07-11-2012 08:43 PM

Thank you very much for listing your lab results.
I'll rep once I'm at a computer

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