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bushman66 06-17-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaddi_inc (Post 1775888)

To those who disregard the problem as 'normal' or bad driving habits, clearly you have not experienced this issue.

phaddi_inc

Yes. And to say this is "normal", or is due to the drive by wire, or some other reason other that NISSAN's SHITTY ECU programming is patently FALSE. My Twin Turbo Porsche has drive by wire, and does not suffer from any gas pedal delay due to heat soak or otherwise. My Chevy Silverado does not have drive by wire, and it does not does not suffer from gas pedal delay.

You nailed it Phaddi...its up to the private owner to fix a problem that NISSAN should have addressed 3 years ago. That's what I will do, as I do love the car otherwise...its just a shame Nissan continues to offer a car that is 95% done (as witnessed when Car & Driver stuffed a NISMO into the wall during a track day shootout due to inadequate brake pads...that is inexcusable for a performance car).

cheshirecat 06-17-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bushman66 (Post 1776147)
Yes. And to say this is "normal", or is due to the drive by wire, or some other reason other that NISSAN's SHITTY ECU programming is patently FALSE

Agreed. Couple this with people stating it gets worse with oil temp and I think you've got an ECU that overcompensates when it comes to percieving damage to the powertrain due to high oil temps.

Phaddi_inc 06-17-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bushman66 (Post 1776147)
Yes. And to say this is "normal", or is due to the drive by wire, or some other reason other that NISSAN's SHITTY ECU programming is patently FALSE. My Twin Turbo Porsche has drive by wire, and does not suffer from any gas pedal delay due to heat soak or otherwise. My Chevy Silverado does not have drive by wire, and it does not does not suffer from gas pedal delay.

You nailed it Phaddi...its up to the private owner to fix a problem that NISSAN should have addressed 3 years ago. That's what I will do, as I do love the car otherwise...its just a shame Nissan continues to offer a car that is 95% done (as witnessed when Car & Driver stuffed a NISMO into the wall during a track day shootout due to inadequate brake pads...that is inexcusable for a performance car).

well it is what it is I suppose...I knew about the lack of oil cooler before purchasing the vehicle (still went ahead and purchased it), and figured if needed i'll install one. Most reviews I watched mentioned it, and Nissan even included coolers on some Zs they had leant for review. At some point I was in denial because I dont track my car, but after a couple mods and a bit of spirited driving (or 5-10min of trafic), I realized its a must. There may be other issues with the ecu/drive by wire/stock tune, but im just gonna keep it simple and get this cooler asap. Once its installed and the uprev tune is on i'll report back.

phaddi_inc

tjlazer 06-17-2012 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by roy'sz (Post 1774706)
its normal, it has to due with the throttle response and the amount of fuel being dumped into the engine. Its no different than trying to floor it at 50mph in 6th gear. There is a certain timeframe (speed to gear or rpm's to launch) that your car will respond best at. I launch my car at almost 2k and it takes off fine. What people are also failing to realize is IT'S NOT A V8! Dont expect to get your head shot back upon take off, unless you rebuild the bottom end of the car and force induct the car.

and like the gentleman stated in this thread, a lot of us have put 2cents of good info in but you hvae yet to report back.

You clearly have not experienced this issue on your car. You either have an AT or are blessed to not have it on your MT. No need to have a V8 to overcome this. Lots of cars that are not V8's don't do this and do not bog off the line. I have a V6 Isuzu Rodeo and it comes off the line great 100% of the time. Not so much on my 370Z. I have Civics and mini vans that come off stronger off the line when this issue happens on my Z. They make me look like an idiot when it happens too. Like others said, when the car is cold, it's fine. It's when it gets "HOT" it does it bad. And yes launching at 3,000 RPMs helps a lot. But we shouldn't have to do that to overcome this issue.

I recently had this happen to me in some stop and go traffic on a warm day. BOG CITY. It is definately due to overheating of the engine.

binary0x01 06-19-2012 12:53 AM

To the OP:

You've got a 2012 Z with no factory oil cooler? I thought all of them got it installed as of 2012 production year...

I'm about to get my 2012 Z in the next couple of weeks... eeeek

bushman66 06-19-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 1778590)
To the OP:

You've got a 2012 Z with no factory oil cooler? I thought all of them got it installed as of 2012 production year...

I'm about to get my 2012 Z in the next couple of weeks... eeeek

The oil cooler on the 2012 is an oil-water intercooler that is as worthless as the proverbial t*ts on a bull. I routinely see 230 degree plus oil temps with normal driving here in AZ (~110+ temps). I plan to remove the factory sandwich plate when I get around to adding the Z1 34 row cooler...mainly because I've read that its a PITA to remove the filter with both plates sandwiched together...

Zrider79 06-19-2012 11:20 AM

So a 25 row oil cooler should fix this for daily driving.....is that basically the solution ?

BlackZeda 06-19-2012 11:26 AM

I had a Stillen 19-row Oil Cooler installed which greatly improved (if not eliminated) the bogging issue...oh yes, my NISMO would bog bad in the heat.

Stillen 19-row Oil Cooler installed by MAC Autosports review

bushman66 06-19-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Zrider79 (Post 1779211)
So a 25 row oil cooler should fix this for daily driving.....is that basically the solution ?

I'm going 34 row, and UpRev tune with the cooling fan tune. I don't believe an oil cooler alone will fix this...I read in the other thread, that someone has the 25 row oil cooler (no tune) and still has the delay 100% of the time. Hell...I'm not even sure the oil cooler AND the tune will fix it, but from other posts here, it sounds like it does improve it dramatically.

SOOO pissed at Nissan for not addressing this properly...

BlackZeda 06-19-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bushman66 (Post 1779230)
I'm going 34 row...

That should do it :tup: I wonder if the NISMO has a bit of an advantage since it has such a big, unobstructed "grill"/intake. The installers said that they didn't have to do any trimming whatsoever even though the Stillen instructions indicated that it would be necessary.

bushman66 06-19-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1779266)
That should do it :tup: I wonder if the NISMO has a bit of an advantage since it has such a big, unobstructed "grill"/intake. The installers said that they didn't have to do any trimming whatsoever even though the Stillen instructions indicated that it would be necessary.

No cutting required for the Z1 Motorsports kit. Its a direct bolt in (except for drilling one hole for an upper bracket as I understand it). I just ordered it, will report back when I get a chance to install it. I'm going to try the cooler alone first...

binary0x01 06-19-2012 02:02 PM

This thread might help.

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...t-morning.html

It may at the very least persuade you to see a Nissan dealer.

bushman66 06-19-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 1779727)
This thread might help.

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...t-morning.html

It may at the very least persuade you to see a Nissan dealer.

I do plan to take it in...mainly to document this problem...I guarantee that if I get into an accident due to this issue, I WILL be retaining an attorney.

What was described in this thread is not my issue. I don't "lose" power at higher RPM's, the car just falls on its face as you push the accelerator typically after the car is moving at lower RPM's, in first gear, when its hot outside...

binary0x01 06-19-2012 03:09 PM

I live in LA Area, it gets hot here, and the Z is going to be my DD so I'm really going to watch out for this.

Never thought an NA engine would have this kind of issue...

Zrider79 06-19-2012 05:52 PM

My friends with oil coolers 25, 34 and UpRev don't seem to experience this issue. When I asked them it seemed unheard of. The cooler is def essential and the ecu kicks in after 225ish and cuts torque.


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