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Methodical4u 11-02-2011 02:07 PM

Do most of us need radiators more than we thought?
 
I was looking around last night and bored and came across an interesting article on engine cooling and such.

I will just post what I found which is here Engine Cooling | Coolant Performance | Radiator Additive

For those who don't want to go through several pages of reading however, it says

"This means that heat load to the cooling system at rated power (Usually expressed in BTUs per minute) is approximately equal to the rated power of the engine expressed in BTUs per minute (HP X 42.4 = BTU/minute). From this we can see that if an engine is modified to increase its horsepower, the load to the cooling system will also increase. In fact, the heat load to the cooling system will increase by about the same percentage as the increase in engine horsepower. So, if we increase the engine horsepower by 20 percent, we can expect an increase of about 20 percent in the heat load to the cooling system."

In a nutshell, a lot of the power we are gaining through mods, we are losing through engine head... we all certainly know already how hot the oil gets in these things, every little bit could help right?

red6spd 11-02-2011 02:32 PM

If I was to go FI I would deff get a better cooling system. As for normal boltons I think we are good.

Jordo! 11-02-2011 02:54 PM

Unless you are overheating, leave it be -- and you shouldn't be with a stock or lightly modded set up.

Overly cool thermostats/extra big radiators can keep the car in warm up mode longer, which isn't desirable.

Extra oil cooling is more of an issue, and even that is generally not a major concern for most people.

Red__Zed 11-02-2011 03:00 PM

Z's rad can dump way more heat than it will deal with unless you block airflow

christian370z 11-02-2011 04:11 PM

The water temperature on the Z is actually pretty good, even with full bolt ons in track conditions. Concentrating on oil coolers is much more beneficial, however one concern I have about the new OEM water cooled oil cooler on the 2012 Zs is that water temps will be negatively affected in extreme conditions.

DJ-of-E 11-02-2011 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1388042)
So, if we increase the engine horsepower by 20 percent, we can expect an increase of about 20 percent in the heat load to the cooling system."

You have to remember this is a general sense. Not all radiators and engines are designed equal. This makes some sense, but general heat rises up exponentially due to engine bay design (increase 100% in power = 200% heat rise, use intercooler). On the new Celicas, even if you double the HP, you do not need an intercooler because of large mouth gap plus angled radiator setup. On the Z, the stock radiator is very beefy, but still not enough to cool the oil :shrug:

_ace_ 11-06-2011 11:25 AM

Generally speaking, the car should have been designed with some margin, meaning the capacity of the cooling system should exceed the max heat the car will produce by some engineered factor. So the first XX% power increase will be free as the radiator will have some spare capacity.

Of course, the oil cooler shouldn't be necessary either, so...


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