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DIGItonium 10-13-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oro (Post 1356583)
:shrug: Doesn't sound too.bad to me. I shut Vdc off everytime i get in the car, being manual with no SRM I shift before redline and know when to downshift. I'd give it a try to have the response my old DE had.

I think it was a slight misunderstanding about disabling ETC versus DBW (i.e., like disconnecting the throttle cables).

Yup... I miss kicking the tail when I tap the throttle in 1st as it quickly revs to 2k RPM. It happened when I test drove my friend's HR. :) Maybe that's too touchy of a tip in, but something close would be nice.

oro 10-13-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 1356736)
I think it was a slight misunderstanding about disabling ETC versus DBW (i.e., like disconnecting the throttle cables).

Yup... I miss kicking the tail when I tap the throttle in 1st as it quickly revs to 2k RPM. It happened when I test drove my friend's HR. :) Maybe that's too touchy of a tip in, but something close would be nice.

Yeah, that slow ramp wen you put your foot down in 1st really kills that performance feel. Guess I need to get Osiris.

macaddict111 05-18-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 1355830)
disabling electronic throttle control

*stewie voice* You... You do get the accelerator is just a couple potentiometers... right?

DIGItonium 05-18-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by macaddict111 (Post 1726038)
*stewie voice* You... You do get the accelerator is just a couple potentiometers... right?

Yea, I know it is. Which is why I wonder about the throttle mapping and control. Disabling ETC is not referring to the accelerator pedal. It refers to the ECU control of the throttles.

370Z Purist 05-19-2012 02:28 AM

I went to the sponsors section and some product (hyperrev? something like that) apparently can solve the sluggish throttle because something something about drive by wire changes how the throttle bodies behave since if you floor it blah blah it opens slower blah

I guess safety is a number one thing in general; massive response could make it very easy to break traction even at mild throttle levels of 40-70, especially once you're at the 300 wheel hp mark. Imagine instantaneous or mechanical throttle in a car with 500 wheel; instant slip and smoke.

DIGItonium 05-19-2012 03:54 PM

Hence I wonder about torque management. Ever notice starting out in 1st gear at low revs with moderate throttle, and then after 1-1.5k the car accelerates harder? It's an awkward transition making it difficult to drive smoothly at times.

370Z Purist 05-19-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 1727069)
Hence I wonder about torque management. Ever notice starting out in 1st gear at low revs with moderate throttle, and then after 1-1.5k the car accelerates harder? It's an awkward transition making it difficult to drive smoothly at times.

I noticed that in first and second gears. Seems more or less like perhaps the VVEL is adopting a different profile. I normally don't accelerate hard in first until I'm past 2k RPM, but that's just me.

DIGItonium 05-20-2012 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist (Post 1727075)
I noticed that in first and second gears. Seems more or less like perhaps the VVEL is adopting a different profile. I normally don't accelerate hard in first until I'm past 2k RPM, but that's just me.

That's right. I have this habit of getting the car moving at low revs so sometimes it bogs especially when it's pretty warm out.

370Z Purist 05-20-2012 06:33 AM

Did a bit more reading; essentially a Cobb AccessPort, it's called HyperTech. I'm sure you've heard of it; a member did something of a review here:

Hypertech Part#62004 Review

It was pretty warm out here yesterday, drove around for the better part of two hours on both the suburban and freeway roads. Definitely felt sluggish once my oil temps hit 230, and refused to drop below 215 even on flat, steady cruises on the freeway at 60mph. It's pretty obvious that heat soak is a serious issue on Z cars. Apparently, the Hypertech does alleviate that flaccidity to some degree.

asdfsammich 05-20-2012 02:17 PM

Random reading on the forums has me thinking an UPREV tune would be the easiest way to reduce the "delay" feel in 1st.

Do folks generally agree that on this or have I misinterpreted?



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DIGItonium 05-20-2012 05:27 PM

The UpRev tune has resolved it for other owners. Mine doesn't have this change, so GTM only set it up to support the turbo kit.

asdfsammich 05-20-2012 07:11 PM

Ah, ok. It's like the editing of specific table values (for throttle), that could potentially help.

Haha, sorry. I admit my slow and noobish state of mind :/

I got a used 09 MT not too long ago and still trying to figure things out.

But, I fully agree, my 350 MT felt much more responsive (fun) on 1st/2nd when getting on it from the low rpms.







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