So what's the difference between your kit and the other on the market?

Definitely not what I am saying, haha, and we don't use a thermo adaptor. I am saying that our kit warms up quickly as well, but without the aid of a thermo adaptor. It doesn't really matter which is faster, it only matters that your oil gets up to temp quickly enough to not adversely effect your motor.

In your case, your car get's up to temp quickly enough and your oil temps stay cool on your canyon runs, so your kit works for you.

In our case, our car went into limp mode before we could turn three laps on the track with a 34 row core. So we needed something more and that's why we developed our kit. It get's up to temp quickly enough and it lasts all day on the track, which is what we needed.

It works about 90% good enough for me. If the ambient temp is low enough it keeps everything in check, but on hot days in the midday sun I'm still hitting 280 after 10 minutes of driving on track.

Oh hahahaha ok, but what about the exact opposite as far as cooler temps go? I am seeing 160 with no thermo and it being in the mid to high 60's. Have you compared your kit to a nissan kit?

The oil temp warms up quickly if the car is not moving or if moving slowly, if you are driving at highway speeds it can take a while to get up to temperature. When I drove through Canada at the end of August last year the temp got stuck at 160F on the highway. The air was just too cool. For driving that time of year I think a thermostatic plate would be helpful, in the winter only a block off plate works.

First big difference is the size of the core we utilize, which provides sufficient oil cooling for track use. Second big difference is the core design, which allows the oil to reach temp quickly without the use of a thermo adaptor, which makes the kit suitable for daily street use as well. Third big difference is the price, which is much higher, but is a result of the core needed to make our kit the most effective oil cooling solution for street and track use.

...Some other differences are in the amount of actual testing we do. We have driven with the kit more than 30K on the street with no issues of slow warm up or over cooling. We campaigned the car for the last season and a half of Time Attack as well. The oil never overheated, we went undefeated, set a new track record at each event and won the championship. Another example is that we also pre-assemble and pressure test each line to make sure they won't blow and in turn blow the car's motor. All of these things give us the confidence necessary to push the car and not worry about potential issues, which is how we want our customers to feel when they are pushing their car as well.

Im lookin at 15min warmup time. I start my car at 1140 at night, change my shoes lock up my shop and when i come out my car is almost 160 depending on ambient temp. By the time I hit the highway my car is at 180 but cools down to the low 160's. So I guess I misunderstood why ae was sayin no need for a thermo. I also forgot most people don't work 3-midnight like i do. That is why im goin with the thermo but I have heard also of having to do a partial block off on the 34row. :confused:

The thermostatic plate will allow 80-90% of the oil to bypass the cooler, but if it is cool enough then even running with just a 10% flow the core and still bring the oil temp down by a good margin (low flow rate but large temperature drop due to long time in cooler). In Riverside I think you should be okay with just a thermostatic plate added to the 34. If temps are regularly getting below 50F then you will definitely need a partial block off.

I thought there were quite a few tracking with 34R coolers with good results..

Hey chris thanx for the heads up on the temp below 50. It has been known to get cold here in the high desert part of riverside. I don't remember the lowest from last year but it will be interesting to see.

there are.

AE must have gotten a defective 34R cooler..:rolleyes:

lol. :stirthepot:

I would think they are pushing a little harder than your average Joe.

IMO build your own kit... the parts are readily available and it is easy to do. You'll save a good amount by bargain shopping... I think I built my 25 row setrab (with a series 9 which is thicker than the standard 25 row setrabs) for just about 350. I did get a used cooler however but from Z1 or any other outfit it would have been over $500 with the 180 thermostat (which I believe we need due to cooler climate in NJ). I was also able to go with a longer hose setup for that price so that I had routing flexibility. I used the factory intake ducts which means I avoided putting any holes in any part of the car.