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Josh@STILLEN 09-23-2010 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 733083)
I just spoke with the dealership which is now installing my new short block with a Nissan oil cooler Part Number: 21300-SS370. What is the install time on the oil cooler? The dealership just said that it is 8 hours and the fenders need to come off. Remember they already have the whole engine torn apart anyway. This seems so excessive. I was quoted 4 hours before the short block had to be replaced.
We charge 2hrs labor.. no reason a dealership or anyone would quote higher than that.. there's nothing special about the Nissan oil cooler, outside of it's high cost. It's also not a warrantied item under the factory warranty, but a lot of dealers will treat the install with comfort in mind, just as they do with STILLEN products. Everything I've seen about the Nissan kit is a large SETRAB cooler and lines, seems like a quality kit, at a price premium.

If you mean they are telling you the side fenders literally need to be removed, that would be cause for concern. If they are working on replacing the engine, a lot will be removed already, but even if they didn't reduce the hourly time, 8 hours would literally be a tech working on installing just the oil cooler for the entire day.. you can do the math.

Mt Tam I am 09-23-2010 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 733137)
We charge 2hrs labor.. no reason a dealership or anyone would quote higher than that.. there's nothing special about the Nissan oil cooler, outside of it's high cost. It's also not a warrantied item under the factory warranty, but a lot of dealers will treat the install with comfort in mind, just as they do with STILLEN products. Everything I've seen about the Nissan kit is a large SETRAB cooler and lines, seems like a quality kit, at a price premium.

If you mean they are telling you the side fenders literally need to be removed, that would be cause for concern. If they are working on replacing the engine, a lot will be removed already, but even if they didn't reduce the hourly time, 8 hours would literally be a tech working on installing just the oil cooler for the entire day.. you can do the math.
Thank you for your lightening quick response. To appease me for an earlier mishap, we made a deal, I pay $780 MSRP for oil cooler he installs it at his cost. So why is he giving me all this rigamarole? I do not know.

ChrisSlicks 09-23-2010 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 733083)
I just spoke with the dealership which is now installing my new short block with a Nissan oil cooler Part Number: 21300-SS370. What is the install time on the oil cooler? The dealership just said that it is 8 hours and the fenders need to come off. Remember they already have the whole engine torn apart anyway. This seems so excessive. I was quoted 4 hours before the short block had to be replaced.
This oil cooler installs in the exact same way that all the others do. The nose comes off and it is installed in front of the radiator, adapter plate is installed on the oil filter fitting and lines are snaked through. It took me 2 hours to install mine and I was doing it on the ground with jack stands, and that is including removing the bumper and reinstalling it. They are already going to have the whole front end removed, bumper, radiator etc. to get the engine out so if it takes them more than 1 extra hour I would be amazed. I can understand them wanting to charge 2, but 4 is excessive and 8 is just stupid. Why on earth they would want to remove the fenders I have no idea, and I would be a little concerned if they know what they are doing. Maybe they are just trying to make it sound harder than it is so you'll think you're getting a deal?

spearfish25 09-23-2010 07:15 AM
With a premade kit that is designed to fit, you could have it installed in under 2 hours. Especially with a lift. I made mine from scratch which required making a bracket mid-process and it took MAX 4 hours from front fascia off to front fascia back on.

Hell, you could get the Stillen SC installed in 8 hours.

SoCal 370Z 09-23-2010 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 733083)
I just spoke with the dealership which is now installing my new short block with a Nissan oil cooler Part Number: 21300-SS370. What is the install time on the oil cooler? The dealership just said that it is 8 hours and the fenders need to come off. Remember they already have the whole engine torn apart anyway. This seems so excessive. I was quoted 4 hours before the short block had to be replaced.
Here's a link that actually show the factory kit parts: Nissan Motorsports Oil Cooler vs. Stillen Oil Cooler

Mt Tam I am 09-23-2010 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 733298)
Here's a link that actually show the factory kit parts: Nissan Motorsports Oil Cooler vs. Stillen Oil Cooler
Thank you. Very informative. I feel I am the dealerships first 370 oil cooler and first short block replacement.

RE: oil cooler oil draining. Is it possible to tip car using jacks to effectively use gravity in draining?

SoCal 370Z 09-23-2010 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 733472)
RE: oil cooler oil draining. Is it possible to tip car using jacks to effectively use gravity in draining?
The core lines are at the top, and there is no additional drain tap (unless you have a custom core fabricated) so there is no draining of the oil cooler's residual oil.

WarmAndSCSI 09-23-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 733492)
The core lines are at the top, and there is no additional drain tap (unless you have a custom core fabricated) so there is no draining of the oil cooler's residual oil.
Honestly I think it'd be OK to tap one of the bottom corners with a short NPT plug so you could easily drain during oil changes. You just wouldn't want to go too deep and you'd have to be very vigilant to make sure no metal shavings get in the cooler.

Zeze 09-23-2010 01:59 PM
Quick (perhaps stupid) question: the considerably large oil cooler being placed right in front of the radiator, would the radiator cooling performance be affected? Or is the radiator like something that's been over-designed and there's no need to worry?

ChrisSlicks 09-23-2010 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeze (Post 733738)
Quick (perhaps stupid) question: the considerably large oil cooler being placed right in front of the radiator, would the radiator cooling performance be affected? Or is the radiator like something that's been over-designed and there's no need to worry?
The water cooling system seems to have plenty of excess capacity, large oil coolers don't seem to have much of an effect on water temp.

Zeze 09-24-2010 12:02 AM
Mmm. I see. Thanks!

Z2nv 12-07-2010 06:50 PM
Fenders removed? I just put in a short block and nissan factory cooler on an 2009 we charged the guy 3 hours+oil/filter+shop supplies.. The short block was under warranty so our dealership covered that. My short blocks on order right now, my z's consuming a litre per every 1500 km's. I didnt have to remove any fenders, just the front bumper.
As per the warranty on the nissan cooler, we wont cover any issues that might be caused by the oil cooller failing. Siezed motor because oil cooler failed, youll have a tough time getting them to warranty it.

Xrico 01-12-2011 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by AC Guy (Post 582897)
Last month I had the $1300 setrab oil cooler set up installed by Cherry Hill Nissan of NJ. I took my Z to the track for the first time this past October (before the oil cooler). Air temperature was in the low 70s then, and the oil temp went about 260 for my last two 20 minute runs at NJ Motorsports Park - Lightning course. No limp mode, thank goodness, and was able to drive home fine. It was nerve racking thinking the car was going to shut down at any moment. There was no way the car would make it back to the track without an oil cooler.

I took it to the track recently for 2 days with air temperature in the mid 80s. This time on the Thunderbolt at NJ Motorsports Park. Oil temp highs were around 200, maybe 210. Normal and spirited driving keeps it at 180. Long story short, this was the best first mod for me to do. I am pleased with it so far. The only thing remotely negative is that the outside air temp reads incorrectly high. Perhaps that thermometer is obstructed by the cooler. It isn't a big deal to me though.
Hi AC Guy, Which oil cooler did you install. The 19 or 25 row stillen.
Thanks

BrandonT 05-08-2011 12:46 PM
I'm looking at getting one of these oil coolers on my new Z and have a couple questions. Leaving a bunch of oil in a cooler during an oil change does not appeal to me (fittings up), nor does having to fill an empty cooler on startup (fittings down). Would it be possible to mount these on their side, than add a three way fitting to the upper and lower fitting, so you can drain from the lower one and fill to the upper one (by taking a cap off the third nipple on the three way)?

Also how does the GTM unit compare as far as using OEM filter? Or better yet the Puralator PureOne since that is what I will be using? Which of these kits has the the thermostatic valve built in to the adaptor plate, all of them?

SPOHN 05-08-2011 12:52 PM
There's nothing wrong with with upright or facing down. But the other method your speaking off could be had, but I see no reason at all to such a thing. I'd do some more searching if I were you.


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