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TongMan 07-28-2010 10:05 AM

It's going to be funny to see Mustang owners buying those 5.0 emblems and sticking it onto their base Mustang...haha...

theDreamer 07-28-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 648126)
It's going to be funny to see Mustang owners buying those 5.0 emblems and sticking it onto their base Mustang...haha...

Huh? Base Mustangs, are you referring to V6 Mustangs?

Vegitto-kun 07-28-2010 10:42 AM

I want a mustang now after checking out the GT500 :roflpuke2:

jnaut 07-28-2010 10:54 AM

well, it is deff more expensive to modify these cars, but the increase is still there. Yes i am full of bolt-ons, and just had it tuned yesterday, i am 74 hp over stock. i put down 319 and on the same dyno stockers do 245. So the moral is u gotta pay to play, lol. not used to this have since i had a mustang and civic before , which we all know it dont get any cheaper than those cars for mods!!

Lug 07-28-2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegitto-kun (Post 648252)
I want a mustang now after checking out the GT500 :roflpuke2:

I imagine a GT500 sticker price would make you go :eek2: in Belgium!

Zsteve 07-28-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegitto-kun (Post 648099)
Over here people would cream their pants if they see a new mustang.

including me

Hold the cream please!

wolf370z 07-28-2010 03:15 PM

I still do not understand why I bought this pitifully slow car. :shakes head:

370Zsteve 07-28-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 647666)
If the wife gets the new job she is trying for then I will be trading in the Z for a 2011 GS LT3 corvette. It looks nice and having 400+ hp and 400+ tq on a NA is awesome. Here in El paso I will have some pretty good open areas to feel the cars potential and there is a nice hilly twisty road that goes over the mountain to get to the other side of the city that will be a nice drive for it.

Wifey gets the new job I get the new car. Gotta love it.

I disagreed until I read you were in El Paso. Then you made perfect sense. :icon17: A Vette is substantially larger than a 370Z. Here in CT, all roads are narrow twisties, (except I-95). The 370Z is my preferred ride here over a C6, it just suits my roads better.

Zsteve 07-28-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 648908)
I disagreed until I read you were in El Paso. Then you made perfect sense. :icon17: A Vette is substantially larger than a 370Z. Here in CT, all roads are narrow twisties, (except I-95). The 370Z is my preferred ride here over a C6, it just suits my roads better.

The wife just has to get that job then I can get it. Just might get it anyway even if she doesnt get the new job.

toner123 07-28-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 648836)
I still do not understand why I bought this pitifully slow car. :shakes head:

Then why don't you sell speed racer?

m4a1mustang 07-28-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 649539)
Then why don't you sell speed racer?

:iagree:

Zsteve 07-29-2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 648836)
I still do not understand why I bought this pitifully slow car. :shakes head:

its by no means a slow car, a person can just used to the power and want more.

LateralG'z 07-29-2010 05:43 AM

I see a fight about to start:drama:

Lug 07-29-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 648908)
I disagreed until I read you were in El Paso. Then you made perfect sense. :icon17: A Vette is substantially larger than a 370Z.

A vette is only 7 inches longer than a 370Z (the NISMO is only an inch shorter), the exact same width, actually 2 inches less in height, and weighs less. I wouldn't call that "substantially larger". I used to think this too....until I saw the two parked next to each other.

wolf370z 07-29-2010 01:21 PM

The only reason why I haven't sold it is because it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, the car feels solid, handles very well, and looks really good. Yeah it's not the fastest car but I'd figure for the price it would be a tick faster. To be honest I don't think there's much of a difference in the 1/4 mile from the HR 350z's. Maybe I'm just used to higher torque/hp cars and this is a step in a different direction for me but I'd expect a little more oomph. I guess it's time to mod up.

Zsteve 07-29-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 650781)
The only reason why I haven't sold it is because it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, the car feels solid, handles very well, and looks really good. Yeah it's not the fastest car but I'd figure for the price it would be a tick faster. To be honest I don't think there's much of a difference in the 1/4 mile from the HR 350z's. Maybe I'm just used to higher torque/hp cars and this is a step in a different direction for me but I'd expect a little more oomph. I guess it's time to mod up.

I really dont know of any other NA V6 that can beat it and most NA V8s too. Its one of the fastest V6s out there right now. And a 350Z cant keep up with me whe nwe do our Z get togethers. When I go that is.

Lug 07-29-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 650781)
The only reason why I haven't sold it is because it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, the car feels solid, handles very well, and looks really good. Yeah it's not the fastest car but I'd figure for the price it would be a tick faster. To be honest I don't think there's much of a difference in the 1/4 mile from the HR 350z's. Maybe I'm just used to higher torque/hp cars and this is a step in a different direction for me but I'd expect a little more oomph. I guess it's time to mod up.

In this price range, you have to focus on handling or power. The Z is an excellent ballance of power, handling, and price. For another 10k to 15K you can have both in mass quantities.

m4a1mustang 07-29-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 650798)
In this price range, you have to focus on handling or power. The Z is an excellent ballance of power, handling, and price. For another 10k to 15K you can have both in mass quantities.

:iagree:

wolf370z 07-29-2010 03:38 PM

A used c5z06 will grant you both at a level a bit higher than a 370z... for a bit less $ (obviously depends on mileage, condition, etc.) But you are correct, at this price range for a NEW CAR it can be difficult to beat... except the Camaro SS and 5.0 Mustang are fair comparisons. Yes, they are pony cars and a different thing altogether than the 370z but they are right in the same price range. For balance let's also include the 135i. In fact I even considered all four of these cars and it's obvious which one I picked. I honestly have no regrets (although it may seem like it) but to be honest I'd feel better if the 370z made the same power (or even less -- as long as it was ~HR power) with a twin turbo setup. At least then bolt-ons and a tune would go a good length further.

But enough complaining, it's all said and done and my next car will most likely be a c6z06 but any time soon! :ugh2::ughdance:

LiquidZ 07-29-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 650996)
A used c5z06 will grant you both at a level a bit higher than a 370z... for a bit less $ (obviously depends on mileage, condition, etc.) But you are correct, at this price range for a NEW CAR it can be difficult to beat... except the Camaro SS and 5.0 Mustang are fair comparisons. Yes, they are pony cars and a different thing altogether than the 370z but they are right in the same price range. For balance let's also include the 135i. In fact I even considered all four of these cars and it's obvious which one I picked. I honestly have no regrets (although it may seem like it) but to be honest I'd feel better if the 370z made the same power (or even less -- as long as it was ~HR power) with a twin turbo setup. At least then bolt-ons and a tune would go a good length further.

But enough complaining, it's all said and done and my next car will most likely be a c6z06 but any time soon! :ugh2::ughdance:


My father had an '03 350Z when they first came out, and owned it for years. One day, he got a little power hungry, well really power hungry, because he left one day with it and came back with a C6 Z51 Corvette. A few years later, he moved up to a C6 Z06. I remember a discussion we had about his 350Z when I bought my 370Z. He said, "although the Corvette's have way more power, I still miss the way my Z felt".

At times I wish I had a new 5.0, or Corvette, but at the same time, I really appreciate how the Z feels when you drive it.

wolf370z 07-29-2010 06:59 PM

I definitely agree with that. The Z does feel really great and is a well engineered vehicle. Heck, I may even end up keeping the 370z and getting a z06 as well or even an srt10 or acr viper. Really its up in the air and will most likely take a backseat to my next project car, so it'll be even longer before I make a decision... just going to enjoy the Z for now! :driving:

Lemers 07-29-2010 11:56 PM

Wow! What resession? Everyone is talking about $10k turbos or just going out and buying a second car. I love my Z and may make some mods after my next deployment (plan to keep the Z until 2020 if gas is still availible). Do I wish that simple bolt-ons had more hp gains yes, but I'm not disappointed in what I get from the Z off the lot either.

wolf370z 07-30-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 651802)
Wow! What resession? Everyone is talking about $10k turbos or just going out and buying a second car. I love my Z and may make some mods after my next deployment (plan to keep the Z until 2020 if gas is still availible). Do I wish that simple bolt-ons had more hp gains yes, but I'm not disappointed in what I get from the Z off the lot either.

I say the exact same thing every time I walk into a restaurant, "Wow look at all these people waiting in line, some recession!"

Or when I walk into an IMAX, "Wow look at all these people in here who $10+ for movie tickets, some recession!"

Just because we're in a recession doesn't mean you can't spend outside of your means, it's the American way! :usa::usa:

toner123 07-30-2010 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 651832)
I say the exact same thing every time I walk into a restaurant, "Wow look at all these people waiting in line, some recession!"

Or when I walk into an IMAX, "Wow look at all these people in here who $10+ for movie tickets, some recession!"

Just because we're in a recession doesn't mean you can't spend outside of your means, it's the American way! :usa::usa:

greatest country in the world and I am proud to serve it
Frank

Zsteve 07-30-2010 08:02 AM

those with jobs can still spend but there are more without jobs right now than ever before, and of course they are not in these forums.

TongMan 07-30-2010 08:19 AM

The U.S. economy is still in recession. Many of us members are fortunate enough to have jobs that meets our ends. There are people out there that are laid off from their jobs and are having their lives turn upside down. Be happy that you are able to still enjoy your sports car(s) and going out to the movies.

Please don't be ignorant about the current economic situation. You only see what you want to see because the people suffering and strugling you glance past them.

Lug 07-30-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 651969)
those with jobs can still spend but there are more without jobs right now than ever before,


Not even close my friend. We had higher unemployment under Carter/Reagan than this and certainly MUCH more during the Great Deppression.

Lug 07-30-2010 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 652000)
The U.S. economy is still in recession. Many of us members are fortunate enough to have jobs that meets our ends. There are people out there that are laid off from their jobs and are having their lives turn upside down. Be happy that you are able to still enjoy your sports car(s) and going out to the movies.

Please don't be ignorant about the current economic situation. You only see what you want to see because the people suffering and strugling you glance past them.

The US is no longer in recession. Jobs, unfortunatly remain very scarce but jobs growth always lags the economic realities.

370Zsteve 07-30-2010 01:13 PM

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Red__Zed 07-30-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 652525)

lol. exactly what just happened to this thread.

Zsteve 07-30-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 652491)
Not even close my friend. We had higher unemployment under Carter/Reagan than this and certainly MUCH more during the Great Deppression.

well a depression is different than a recession as it is longer and bigger. We are still in a recession as we are importing more than exporting and our trade and of prosperity is not up to par as a whole. Now weather it was worse with reagan and all Im not sure but believe me, we are still ****** right now as a country. And thse with jobs are holding back too. In here you will see alot of younger people buying things as they may not have the overall bills that some older people do, ie families to support, kids in college etc. Sure there are always exceptions but for the most part its the younger generation buying things right now. The older generation is trying to secure their retirement and not spending.

TongMan 07-30-2010 02:40 PM

I guess we started talking about how much money it costs to juice hp from our 370z's and that it doesn't seem worth it for the amount of hp freed to people with and without money and then to the current economic status. Still about money.

Zsteve 07-30-2010 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 652763)
I guess we started talking about how much money it costs to juice hp from our 370z's and that it doesn't seem worth it for the amount of hp freed to people with and without money and then to the current economic status. Still about money.

its what makes the world turn, and I want more of it.

Lug 07-30-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 652755)
well a depression is different than a recession as it is longer and bigger. We are still in a recession as we are importing more than exporting and our trade and of prosperity is not up to par as a whole. Now weather it was worse with reagan and all Im not sure but believe me, we are still ****** right now as a country. And thse with jobs are holding back too. In here you will see alot of younger people buying things as they may not have the overall bills that some older people do, ie families to support, kids in college etc. Sure there are always exceptions but for the most part its the younger generation buying things right now. The older generation is trying to secure their retirement and not spending.

What you say makes sense to me but the fact is we are no longer in a recession. That ended a while back.

Mr&Mrs 08-01-2010 09:00 AM

The price of bolt ons for gains in this car are more then others yes, but im looking at the total package price. To me that is HP, Looks, Sound, etc. The bolt ons you mentioned raise appeal on all those levels. The value is unmatched if you ask me. I have had to put 10-15k in evey car I have ever owned to get it to a point of balanced looks and performance. Plus I love the fact that this car does not have 100 different staged packages, from 100 different companies claming only 20 were built 600 HP+ blah blah blah like the Mustangs, Camaros, and Vettes. I want to turn heads from everyone not just gear heads. Anyway like I said all things taken in to consideration, IMO the price is not bad at all.

Endgame 08-01-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 651194)
My father had an '03 350Z when they first came out, and owned it for years. One day, he got a little power hungry, well really power hungry, because he left one day with it and came back with a C6 Z51 Corvette. A few years later, he moved up to a C6 Z06. I remember a discussion we had about his 350Z when I bought my 370Z. He said, "although the Corvette's have way more power, I still miss the way my Z felt".

At times I wish I had a new 5.0, or Corvette, but at the same time, I really appreciate how the Z feels when you drive it.

I have driven my fair share of Vettes (C5 and C6 Z06s). The power is really nice, however, I just do not feel as connected to the car as I do the Z. The Z is by far the more rewarding and fun drive.

That said, by the same margin the Z beats out the Z06 to me, the RX8 beats out the 370Z in terms of pure driving feel. I miss my RX8 for about 5 seconds, then drive and my Z again and forget all about the RX8.

m4a1mustang 08-01-2010 09:43 AM

I like my Z. I think I like the new 5.0 Mustang GT more, but taking into consideration the loss I would take to get out of the Z and into the Mustang (and then mod the Mustang up like I have been with the Z) it's just not worth it (damn being a finance guy!!!).

If I wasn't happy with the Z I'd take the loss for sure, but this is a very good car. It holds its own against the likes of Corvette, Porsche, Mustang, etc, all of which have VERY formidable offerings.

@Endgame -- I agree with you about the Corvette. It doesn't feel quite as direct as the Z does. Obviously there are things you can do to change that, but stock for stock the Z feels much more nimble and involved. I would drop my Z in a heartbeat for a Z06, though!!!

sgthanzo 08-01-2010 10:05 AM

Talking about driver-to-car connection...

I've only been driving my Z for a few months. One thing I noticed is that the car seems to amplify the way I feel when I drive the sweet thing. I mean she rides so smooth and she transitions from gear to gear (I've the 6MT) so effortlessly when I'm in a good and relaxed mood. The opposite can be said when I'm tired and feeling $hitty. She feels very slow to shift and very rough she seems when I'm not in tip-top shape.

She's weird in a good way - as if she now acts like my mood gauge. She's able somehow to tell me when to pipe-up or pipe down.... Really weird, this "connection" thing. LOL!

m4a1mustang 08-01-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sgthanzo (Post 654825)
Talking about driver-to-car connection...

I've only been driving my Z for a few months. One thing I noticed is that the car seems to amplify the way I feel when I drive the sweet thing. I mean she rides so smooth and she transitions from gear to gear (I've the 6MT) so effortlessly when I'm in a good and relaxed mood. The opposite can be said when I'm tired and feeling $hitty. She feels very slow to shift and very rough she seems when I'm not in tip-top shape.

She's weird in a good way - as if she now acts like my mood gauge. She's able somehow to tell me when to pipe-up or pipe down.... Really weird, this "connection" thing. LOL!

Ain't that the truth? The Z 6MT is really finicky and demands a relaxed driver to really operate properly, so that's definitely why you are feeling like it's your mood gauge. I definitely get it. If you are relaxed the car is fantastic!

Also, it looks better, sounds better, handles better, and makes more power when it's freshly washed. :tup:

Philipp 08-02-2010 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 654811)
That said, by the same margin the Z beats out the Z06 to me, the RX8 beats out the 370Z in terms of pure driving feel. I miss my RX8 for about 5 seconds, then drive and my Z again and forget all about the RX8.

I agree with the RX8 vs 370 reference (previously owning 2 Rx8s) but both cars have limited potential bolt-on mods gain....


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