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Rusty 08-24-2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BGTV8 (Post 3781137)
Dude - this is what happens with an excess of torque and a shortage of ability.

Do yourself a favour and leave VDC on

You start with 2 buckets. A full bucket of luck and a empty bucket of experience. When the bucket of luck is empty. You hope the buck of experience is full. If not. You're in deep dodo.

shadow85 08-24-2018 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3781062)
You’re tuner should be giving you specific instructions for those data points (i.e. 3rd gear roll-on 3k-redline, etc). Is your tuner familiar with boosted VQs?

The quick jump in rpms you are referring to is when you lost traction. I’m surprised you didn’t redline it.

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3781141)
This and if you are using Ecutek your tuner should be able to add over boost protection. Mine is set at 15 psi and will immediately retard my power and drop revs to 5000 rpms. I have had my Z over boost on more than one occasion due to a waste gate issue and never had it cause me to loose traction.

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Seb is my tuner. He said he has setup failsafes on my tune.

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Originally Posted by BGTV8 (Post 3781137)
Dude - this is what happens with an excess of torque and a shortage of ability.

Do yourself a favour and leave VDC on

Not sure if you read my last post, but for remote tuning purposes I have to have VDC off, or it skews the logs.

redondoaveb 08-25-2018 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3781197)
Seb is my tuner. He said he has setup failsafes on my tune.



Not sure if you read my last post, but for remote tuning purposes I have to have VDC off, or it skews the logs.

Seb recommends the Greddy Profec, can't he help you set it up?

Optimiser 08-25-2018 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3780894)
I have a quaife diff and a TT setup

The other night, I tried a WOT pull for the first time with VDC off.

In the middle of the 3rd gear pull the car violently and suddenly spun to the right and then to the left before I made it come to a halt. It scared the **** out of me!

Anyone else experience this before?

Interesting.
I'm supercharged with 450whp and 364ft/lbs which comes on a lot earlier with the Si impeller upgrade I recently had done. I have the Cusco 1.5RS LSD which uses a clutch plate system rather than helical gears like the Quaife LSD has.
When the same situation has happened to me with VDC off and I've applied to much power in a straight line and I break traction, typically the back end of the car kicks out to the left and occasionally to the right. As soon as this happens I back right off the throttle and the rear of the car instantly kicks back to being straight again. The rear has never gone from left to right or visa versa and approaching a complete spin out.
I wonder if the Cusco clutch type as opposed to a helical gear type LSD assists with this? :driving:
Maybe I lifted off quicker...

Geoff-AU 08-25-2018 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3781057)
And yeah OK everyone is saying I have to learn to drive it better, feather into the pedal etc. But I am suppose to be taking WOT logs here for my remote tuning, I thought it has to be pelted down the whole time, no babying for the tuning purpose?

Oh well since your tuner who isn't there and doesn't know you from a bar of soap asked you to do a WOT pull with VDC off, you should probably listen to him without thinking if it's a good idea....

the very fact you're asking "hey my car suddenly went sideways and I almost crashed, what gives?" on a forum means you are in over your head.

jwick 08-25-2018 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimiser (Post 3781219)
Interesting.
I'm supercharged with 450whp and 364ft/lbs which comes on a lot earlier with the Si impeller upgrade I recently had done. I have the Cusco 1.5RS LSD which uses a clutch plate system rather than helical gears like the Quaife LSD has.
When the same situation has happened to me with VDC off and I've applied to much power in a straight line and I break traction, typically the back end of the car kicks out to the left and occasionally to the right. As soon as this happens I back right off the throttle and the rear of the car instantly kicks back to being straight again. The rear has never gone from left to right or visa versa and approaching a complete spin out.
I wonder if the Cusco clutch type as opposed to a helical gear type LSD assists with this? :driving:
Maybe I lifted off quicker...


Your SC setup doesn’t have the same torque curve as a turbo. It’s not even close. When the turbo spools up you literally get 250/300 extra ft-lbs in an instant.

shadow85 08-25-2018 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimiser (Post 3781219)
Interesting.
I'm supercharged with 450whp and 364ft/lbs which comes on a lot earlier with the Si impeller upgrade I recently had done.

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3781243)
Your SC setup doesn’t have the same torque curve as a turbo. It’s not even close. When the turbo spools up you literally get 250/300 extra ft-lbs in an instant.

Jwick is rite. I am around the 840nm (620 ft•lb) engine torque according to my Ecutek logs, which is probably more closer to 620nm (450ft•lb) wheel torque @3500RPM

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Originally Posted by Geoff-AU (Post 3781238)
Oh well since your tuner who isn't there and doesn't know you from a bar of soap asked you to do a WOT pull with VDC off, you should probably listen to him without thinking if it's a good idea....

Well my tuner is one of the best for this platform if not the best. And after I told him what happend he updated with another tune for me to try, possibly one with better traction control? Not sure, havent tried it yet.

jwick 08-25-2018 11:18 AM

:iagree:

Seb is the man!

jwick 08-25-2018 11:25 AM

My original tune before I swapped exhausts was 500whp and 480wtq. Trust me the difference in just 40wtq is very noticeable when you get it all at once.

Everyone always boasts about HP but it’s torque, and when and how it comes on, that matters.

Spooler 08-25-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3781257)
Everyone always boasts about HP but it’s torque, and when and how it comes on, that matters.

Yeap, Seb can tune that part of it. I sure he made some adjustments for that.

DOOMMONKEY777 08-25-2018 01:54 PM

Right, i actually crashed, and then had this same thing happened to me 3 more times, but those times i was aware of whats going on. Now to fix this you NEED to do is pull the VDC fuse in order to completely turn it off because it does this.

kevingalls 08-25-2018 02:20 PM

The other thing that helps is the experience so next time you’re ready with lightning reflexes.


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shadow85 08-25-2018 08:33 PM

Guys, should i get the FUSE removed to completly disable VDC? Will this work out better or more safe for my WOT pulls with VDC off?

Do I need to tel Seb that I am going to remove it or will it not matter?

redondoaveb 08-25-2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3781298)
Guys, should i get the FUSE removed to completly disable VDC? Will this work out better or more safe for my WOT pulls with VDC off?

Do I need to tel Seb that I am going to remove it or will it not matter?

Definitely run it by Seb before you do it, he'll tell you if you should completely disable it for your tune.

Hotrodz 08-25-2018 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3781298)
Guys, should i get the FUSE removed to completly disable VDC? Will this work out better or more safe for my WOT pulls with VDC off?

Do I need to tel Seb that I am going to remove it or will it not matter?

You don't need to do the fuse removal or need to disable your ya sensor. The Ecutek works very well. Seb will make need adjustment as your throttle response may be to sensitive in that is it comes on hard and fast. He can adjust that so that response is slower.


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