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mag_black 01-31-2018 09:07 PM

Milky substance on my oil cap
 
The other day I went to check oil and oped up the cap to inspect it as well, and saw this. What could it be? I'm running the ARC combo tank, my buddy thinks condensation made it's way into the crank. I'm hoping I didn't blow a head gasket and coolant is leaking.

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echoshotz 01-31-2018 09:11 PM

:ugh: In to see what it ends up being

gomer_110 01-31-2018 09:13 PM

That's some seriously water contaminated oil you got there. Seems a bit much for just a little bit of condensation IMHO.

Zingston 01-31-2018 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3726468)
That's some seriously water contaminated oil you got there. Seems a bit much for just a little bit of condensation IMHO.

:iagree:

mag_black 01-31-2018 09:19 PM

So best to change the oil and then keep an eye on it?

Zingston 01-31-2018 09:56 PM

In my opinion, that's indicative of a blown gasket. Probably will need more than a oil change to correct.

Have you checked your coolant levels? Any overheating lately?

Spooler 01-31-2018 10:18 PM

First one I have seen like this. Looks like an old Quaker State motor. LOL It does appear you have a blown headgasket. You need to get it looked at soon or it will cost you a motor. It may be too late already.

Jhill 01-31-2018 10:29 PM

Not uncommon on vw/Audi’s that see frequent short trip driving. That’s from condensation building up and the engine not getting hot enough to burn it all off.

Is your commute rather short?

It’s easy enough to get a block checker if your concerned.

mag_black 01-31-2018 11:34 PM

No overheating issues, I replaced coolant last spring w/ new 60k nissan coolant. I've never had an issue w/ this car and I've always kept up w/ maintenance. It's just weird to see this now. But for now, I want to change oil and see if it appears again. The car seems to run normal. @jhill, my trips are usually about 25 miles. I've never seen this before and I did drive it once when it was 7 degrees out. I'm hoping it's just condensation.

Optimiser 01-31-2018 11:50 PM

Head gasket!

Trips 02-01-2018 12:04 AM

Get that motor looked at before it's too late.

Just because it may sound right doesn't mean your not damaging the engine.

The last thing you'd want to see in your oil is that.

SouthArk370Z 02-01-2018 12:57 AM

Check the dip stick. If level has risen since last check, you probably have a coolant leak (eg, head gasket). As much sludge as there is, this would be my first guess.

If it's condensation, an hour long drive should get rid of a lot of it.

In any case, you need to change the oil and filter. But fix the problem first.

Jhill 02-01-2018 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mag_black (Post 3726502)
No overheating issues, I replaced coolant last spring w/ new 60k nissan coolant. I've never had an issue w/ this car and I've always kept up w/ maintenance. It's just weird to see this now. But for now, I want to change oil and see if it appears again. The car seems to run normal. @jhill, my trips are usually about 25 miles. I've never seen this before and I did drive it once when it was 7 degrees out. I'm hoping it's just condensation.

Well I wouldn't think 25mi as too short, can't help you on the climate as all my experiences is Ca and if it hit so 7 here then something seriously is wrong. Wouldn't hurt to pick up a block checker kit, super easy to use and will probably cost you less than the labor at a shop.

Cyber370 02-01-2018 04:43 AM

Milky substance on my oil cap
 
Living in a cold NE climate, I can tell you that it’s way too much for it to be condensation no matter how short your trips are or how cold it is. It looks like a blown head gasket too me. Unless you have another explanation on how that water got in there. I remember long ago having a work colleague who mistakenly added windshield washer fluid to her engine.......

Ps: Coolant system pressure test will confirm whether you have a blown head gasket. Takes 10 minutes.


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V8Nissan 02-01-2018 05:32 AM

When you drain the oil, I would let the engine sit at least overnight and then not start it before draining it. See if the water / coolant separates to the bottom. Blackstone oil analysis is also an option if you can get a sample container quick enough or use another clean container for the oil until you can get one. They would be able to tell you exactly what it is most likely.

mag_black 02-01-2018 01:09 PM

I'm going to use the block tester out, I just watched some videos. Then it's off to the shop once I figure out what it is or if I can't figure out what it is. Thanks everyone. I'll report back soon.

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Originally Posted by Jhill (Post 3726509)
Well I wouldn't think 25mi as too short, can't help you on the climate as all my experiences is Ca and if it hit so 7 here then something seriously is wrong. Wouldn't hurt to pick up a block checker kit, super easy to use and will probably cost you less than the labor at a shop.

@Jhill, do I put the block tester on the oil fill or on the radiator?

mults 02-01-2018 01:34 PM

Happened a few times on my wife's Sonata...short trips, cold ambient temperatures. Had the oil changed and it never showed up again. Let's hope yours is the same...

Chuck33079 02-01-2018 01:37 PM

Really stupid question, but is it possible that the ARC combo tank is letting the goop from the catch can mingle with the coolant?

Felix 808 02-01-2018 01:45 PM

You've got coolant mixing with your oil. Not good. I've been there before, Mine was a cracked cylinder on an old CJ5 not fun. :shakes head:

Jhill 02-01-2018 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mag_black (Post 3726643)
I'm going to use the block tester out, I just watched some videos. Then it's off to the shop once I figure out what it is or if I can't figure out what it is. Thanks everyone. I'll report back soon.



@Jhill, do I put the block tester on the oil fill or on the radiator?

Goes on the radiator fill.

abm89 02-01-2018 02:19 PM

Oh boy. I hope it is not serious.

gomer_110 02-01-2018 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V8Nissan (Post 3726533)
When you drain the oil, I would let the engine sit at least overnight and then not start it before draining it. See if the water / coolant separates to the bottom. Blackstone oil analysis is also an option if you can get a sample container quick enough or use another clean container for the oil until you can get one. They would be able to tell you exactly what it is most likely.

Another easy way of checking oil for water contamination is to CAREFULLY drizzle the suspect oil onto a hotplate or similar. If the suspect oil snaps, crackles, and pops then it has water in it. If is just flashes/evaporates away its not contaminated.

*J*ap***V*et* 02-01-2018 05:57 PM

Hope it isn't too serious but I've seen an MR2 with a blown, well cracked head gasket and his oil cap looked the same. Also the exhaust fumes and thickness of the cloud was off as well. Any difference in exhaust smoke? As in an extreme excess..

RumbleFish 02-01-2018 06:42 PM

I remember seeing the same thing in my '76 Subaru in HS, blown head gasket.

Rusty 02-01-2018 07:12 PM

Looks like condensation. Moisture evaporating, and the cap is the cool spot where the moisture collects. Common problem with some oils with short trips. My one 5.7 Hemi is great at doing this Possible cause could be the ARC tank also. You can go to a shop and have them check the cooling system for combustion leak into the system.

mag_black 02-01-2018 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3726650)
Really stupid question, but is it possible that the ARC combo tank is letting the goop from the catch can mingle with the coolant?

That is a possibility. I plan on inspecting it this weeks when I use the block tester as well. I hope it’s not serious, it’s really depressing.

If it’s worse case scenario, what is the cost of replacing head gasket. I know the head needs to be sent out to check for any warping.

Such a drag. Super bummed right now. Thanks everyone for the replies and advice.

mag_black 02-01-2018 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jhill (Post 3726656)
Goes on the radiator fill.

Thank you sir.

mag_black 02-04-2018 05:21 PM

Reporting back that I found the issue. My ARC catch can had water in the tank and it pulled it through the tubes. I have a video of me emptying out about 2-3 oz of water. I took it out and cleaned tubes and tank and left to dry. Tomorrow I will use the block tester after I put it back together just for comfiirmation.

The next step is change oil out. Should I change oil and let it run a bit and then change again or will I will be fine with one oil change?

SouthArk370Z 02-04-2018 05:52 PM

Oil's not that expensive. I'd change twice if for no other reason than peace of mind.

Rusty 02-04-2018 06:12 PM

If you change the oil twice. You will not get the moisture out. Unless you get the engine hot enough to evaporate the moisture that's on metal.

Kzonts 02-04-2018 06:43 PM

When I had my Mustang with a ProCharger, I would get the same thing in the Winter. I caught it all in the catch can and had to empty it once a week. My commute to work was 35 minutes and it still did this. I setup 2 catch cans just to make sure none of it was reaching the supercharger.

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