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shadow85 03-02-2016 06:28 PM

Is this normal?
 
Just wondering if it is normal for the REVS to jump high and the car not move anywhere when you try to floor it in the D (Auto) gear on a 7sp Auto? The Revs will jump high and the engine will roar but not actually move anywhere for atleast 0.5-1second.

This happens almost always in D gear if I try to floor it, but it doesn't in Manual mode and takes off normally in manual. Are we not suppose to floor it in D (Auto) gear, or could there be an issue with my Zed? I have a 15' 370Z.

Sorry if this is a noob question, I am pretty noob with cars.

FairladyZ40th 03-02-2016 06:42 PM

I think, it's the auto computer not being able to keep up with your demands. Usually this is one of the major reasons why people get manual cars. The response time is far better, you're always in control, you save gas, fixing is cheaper, they accelerate better and you can push them to higher RPMs and they genuinely last longer (depending on driving style). My step mom had the same problem with her dodge nitro and I also experienced it with another auto car that I drove.

Basically as you're going and want to suddenly punch it, it's as if instead of downshifting it stays on neutral instead for like a split second and your RPMs shoot up... Then the gear kicks in and it's back to normal, Correct? But it's a major buzz kill if you want to pass someone or suddenly take off... Yeah it's normal, at least in my experience, I guess it's the computer trying to protect your tranny...


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zeus37 03-02-2016 06:48 PM

Throttle lag from your ECU. Get it tuned and it's gone.

kenchan 03-02-2016 07:12 PM

doesnt dat have to do with the torque converter stall speed?

onzedge 03-02-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3427817)
doesnt dat have to do with the torque converter stall speed?

What am I doing wrong? I cannot find a "D" in my car.

Fuzzzy 03-02-2016 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 3427961)
What am I doing wrong? I cannot find a "D" in my car.

It migrated to your license plate.

onzedge 03-02-2016 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuzzzy (Post 3427974)
It migrated to your license plate.

:icon17:

POS VETT 03-02-2016 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 3427961)
What am I doing wrong? I cannot find a "D" in my car.

Check your pants ...

Z_ealot 03-02-2016 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 3427961)
What am I doing wrong? I cannot find a "D" in my car.

If you cant find a D in your car i suggest seeking medical attention and or surgery

shadow85 03-02-2016 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 3427961)
What am I doing wrong? I cannot find a "D" in my car.

What are you serious?

7sp auto has it

Anyways, this lag delay and loss of power in D kind of sux. Today there was an R33 Skyline that crept up behind me and then flaw'd it infront of me, and I thought I will kill him until I dropped it on this D gear and my revs just flew. I was like damn, I am suppose to be in manual mode :(

Now that driver of that R33 thinks he killed me ;(

Kind of off topic, but do you guys rekon I should paint the stock Ray's Engineering rims black on my 15' Z or keep them with original shadow chrome? I seem to be witnessing a lot of Z owners here in Aus colour their stock Z rims black, it does seem to bring out a more mean appeal.

When I ask my friends here, they say nahh don't do that keep them original.

What do you guys think?

JesseG805 03-03-2016 01:55 AM

:rofl2:
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Originally Posted by POS VETT (Post 3427989)
Check your pants ...


KrnAndy 03-03-2016 02:39 AM

hmm i've had autos, but i noticed if it's from a stop then it's fine, but when you're rolling it's just the lagg time for it to figure out that you're flooring it and it needs to down shift, rather than stay at a higher gear to for cruising

Zipper 104 03-03-2016 03:27 AM

Manual?
 
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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3428046)
What are you serious?

7sp auto has it


I'm thinking he has a Manual tranny and just messing with ya.

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Zipper 104 03-03-2016 03:30 AM

Flaw'd
 
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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3428046)

Anyways, this lag delay and loss of power in D kind of sux. Today there was an R33 Skyline that crept up behind me and then flaw'd it infront of me, and I thought I will kill him until I dropped it on this D gear and my revs just flew. I was like damn, I am suppose to be in manual mode :(

I think your car just might be flaw'd.

Sorry, but you just left it hanging out there.

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shadow85 03-03-2016 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KrnAndy (Post 3428084)
hmm i've had autos, but i noticed if it's from a stop then it's fine, but when you're rolling it's just the lagg time for it to figure out that you're flooring it and it needs to down shift, rather than stay at a higher gear to for cruising

I notice that in D, it feels there is less power even from a stand still.

onzedge 03-03-2016 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by POS VETT (Post 3427989)
Check your pants ...

:confused:

mishuko 03-03-2016 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 3427961)
What am I doing wrong? I cannot find a "D" in my car.

there's only 1 D in my car... :ugh2:

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3428094)
I notice that in D, it feels there is less power even from a stand still.

does it do that in the tip tron mode?

shadow85 03-03-2016 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3428152)
there's only 1 D in my car... :ugh2:



does it do that in the tip tron mode?

Err whats tip tron mode?

SouthArk370Z 03-03-2016 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3428160)
Err whats tip tron mode?

Manual mode


The engine and transmission act differently depending on how you have been driving and what mode the transmission is in. I suspect what you are seeing/feeling/hearing is the car switching from "cruising mode" to "aggressive mode." YMMV

SS_Firehawk 03-03-2016 07:57 AM

Lol @ the innuendos. You know, you can just hit the paddles and it will go into manual mode, you don't need to put it in "S" It will even revert back to auto mode after flogging it. It's good for the occasional @ss hauling and then back to a normal citizen. At least my Wife's Maxima SV Sport model has it, I would assume the auto Z's do too.

FPenvy 03-03-2016 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3428152)
there's only 1 D in my car... :ugh2:



does it do that in the tip tron mode?

unless i'm there :yum:

tip tron? is that asian slang for something?

mishuko 03-03-2016 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3428206)
unless i'm there :yum:

tip tron? is that asian slang for something?

tip tronic? I dunno what you auto guys call it. paddle mode? want-to-be-manual-but-no-really-mode?


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@SS_Firehawk - I've read about cars de-tuning themselves when people drive like they own a prius.

OP just pull your battery for an hour to factory reset it. turn back on your car let it idle a minute or two then go on the road and WOT and do a few good pulls?

FPenvy 03-03-2016 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3428221)
tip tronic? I dunno what you auto guys call it. paddle mode? want-to-be-manual-but-no-really-mode?


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@SS_Firehawk - I've read about cars de-tuning themselves when people drive like they own a prius.

OP just pull your battery for an hour to factory reset it. turn back on your car let it idle a minute or two then go on the road and WOT and do a few good pulls?

:shakes head:

also to the OP idk if it was mentioned but to this asian's post the AT/ECU somewhat "learns from the way you drive. if you're always in D and drive normal/slow it'll sorta lean to that style of shifting and when you go WOT it's gonna hesitate and oddly shift.

SS_Firehawk 03-03-2016 08:20 AM

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Greencrayon 03-03-2016 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3428227)
:shakes head:

also to the OP idk if it was mentioned but to this asian's post the AT/ECU somewhat "learns from the way you drive. if you're always in D and drive normal/slow it'll sorta lean to that style of shifting and when you go WOT it's gonna hesitate and oddly shift.

How long does it take to learn? Like since I babied it during break in will it do this. Should I reset it?

FPenvy 03-03-2016 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Greencrayon (Post 3428233)
How long does it take to learn? Like since I babied it during break in will it do this. Should I reset it?

i never unhooked the battery to do a reset that way aside from when i nstalled the exhaust.

after my break in i just started driving hard and i only use manual mode. i think i've used auto mode maybe 50 miles total of my now 50k on the clock.

Ray_Z34 03-03-2016 08:31 AM

I'm running a 7AT and I don't experience this! I do feel a little more power in manual, wether from a stop or as I'm driving, but there never any lag. As soon as I floor it, my Z takes off! Even in auto mode. That sounds like it could be a problem!

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FPenvy 03-03-2016 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray_Z34 (Post 3428249)
I'm running a 7AT and I don't experience this! I do feel a little more power in manual, wether from a stop or as I'm driving, but there never any lag. As soon as I floor it, my Z takes off! Even in auto mode. That sounds like it could be a problem!

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its not a problem. just if you drive softer then the ECU will react the same when you finally give it the beans.

SouthArk370Z 03-03-2016 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greencrayon (Post 3428233)
How long does it take to learn? Like since I babied it during break in will it do this. Should I reset it?

It's not so much learning as making adjustments for current driving style.

Not sure how long it takes to switch to "cruising mode" but if you put the xmission in manual mode and hit the gas hard, it will go into "aggressive mode" almost immediately.

There may a description of how it works in the FSM.

Ray_Z34 03-03-2016 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3428256)
its not a problem. just if you drive softer then the ECU will react the same when you finally give it the beans.

So you have to ALWAYS drive it hard if you want it to respond aggressively when you floor it? That kinda sucks... I mean, I have about 10K on mine, and I'd say I cruise it much more often than not, but on particular days, (usually after watching Fast and Furious or playing Need For Speed) I love to drive it hard and it ALWAYS responds accordingly. I'd hate to have to train my ECU to always be on the edge... /:

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FPenvy 03-03-2016 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray_Z34 (Post 3428266)
So you have to ALWAYS drive it hard if you want it to respond aggressively when you floor it? That kinda sucks... I mean, I have about 10K on mine, and I'd say I cruise it much more often than not, but on particular days, (usually after watching Fast and Furious or playing Need For Speed) I love to drive it hard and it ALWAYS responds accordingly. I'd hate to have to train my ECU to always be on the edge... /:

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no you dont have to always drive it hard lol geez that would result in so many tickets lol

i DD mine so typically the top speed i hit going to and from work is 60ish on 2 stretches. i dont even use highways for my commute.

but there's times where i lay into it and shift at high rpm and launches etc.

also i have some nice curvy backroads where i live so i hit those in a "spirited" fashion lol

SouthArk370Z 03-03-2016 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray_Z34 (Post 3428266)
So you have to ALWAYS drive it hard if you want it to respond aggressively when you floor it? ...

When you start driving hard, the car recognizes this and switches mode. You don't have to drive hard all the time. Shortly after you start driving "normally", the car switches back.

Ghostvette 03-03-2016 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3428046)
What are you serious?

7sp auto has it

Anyways, this lag delay and loss of power in D kind of sux. Today there was an R33 Skyline that crept up behind me and then flaw'd it infront of me, and I thought I will kill him until I dropped it on this D gear and my revs just flew. I was like damn, I am suppose to be in manual mode :(

Now that driver of that R33 thinks he killed me ;(

Kind of off topic, but do you guys rekon I should paint the stock Ray's Engineering rims black on my 15' Z or keep them with original shadow chrome? I seem to be witnessing a lot of Z owners here in Aus colour their stock Z rims black, it does seem to bring out a more mean appeal.

When I ask my friends here, they say nahh don't do that keep them original.

What do you guys think?


Not to interrupt the hilarity that is sure to continue in this thread, but a gentle reminder to the OP that discussion of street racing 'kills' is prohibited on this forum. :shakes head:



Now back to our regularly scheduled trolling of the OP... :owned:

mishuko 03-03-2016 03:17 PM

I got killed by a fiat 500 going to 60kmh =(


oh and killed by the prius.


and then after that an mdx.


should of got a mustang :stirthepot:

shadow85 03-03-2016 10:25 PM

Wow lots of interesting things said here. So basically because I drive it soft/casually most of the time, that is why auto feel laggy when it is given full pedal.

FPenvy 03-03-2016 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3428883)
Wow lots of interesting things said here. So basically because I drive it soft/casually most of the time, that is why auto feel laggy when it is given full pedal.


If in full auto then most likely.

Drop it into manual mode and should sort itself out since you control the shifts.

SouthArk370Z 03-04-2016 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85 (Post 3428883)
Wow lots of interesting things said here. So basically because I drive it soft/casually most of the time, that is why auto feel laggy when it is given full pedal.

Not exactly. Any time you have not been driving hard for a while, the car goes into cruise mode. Once you get on it, it takes a second to switch modes. How you drove yesterday has no effect.

shadow85 03-04-2016 05:29 AM

Yea thats what I mean, because I am always driving it soft in full auto, i only gunn it full pedal maybe once a week or 2 weeks.

JARblue 03-04-2016 06:44 AM

Gun it a couple of times *before* you want to drive aggressively. This will prompt it to switch modes, and it'll be ready for you when you want it. Note that if you're doing this on the street, slowing down between stretches can possibly put you back in cruising mode.


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