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Akrobatik 04-12-2015 07:59 PM

Internal upgradess
 
Iv heard that the stock pistons and rods on the 370Z are very durable. What PSI are you guys running on your stock internals?

bullitt5897 04-12-2015 09:46 PM

Most are around 8-10 psi... But note that most people use HP and Torque numbers when discussing how much the internals can hold.

The problem some people run into with our motors is that every once in a while a motor may have a slightly bent rod... those motors tend to not last as long as others. Typical gauge for a "safe" and I say that lightly is running a boosted car with less than 500ftlbs of torque... many have put tens of thousands of miles on cars making right at or below 500ftlbs. Anything over that and history has shown us the motors typically throw a rod through the oil pan or out the side of the block...

My personal experience came in a kroger parking lot going from a 4 way stop... randomly just blew...

Dwnshift 04-13-2015 06:59 AM

The cranks on these engines are not ideal. Just about every engine we retire has a broken/cracked crank.
Just an FYI


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DOOMMONKEY777 04-13-2015 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift (Post 3167164)
The cranks on these engines are not ideal. Just about every engine we retire has a broken/cracked crank.
Just an FYI

On an N/A engine? Really?! What are your cap rpm shifts at?

dP3NGU1N 04-13-2015 10:50 AM

Any suggestions on the recommended internal upgrades if you want your engine to last? And maybe an idea of how much someone's looking at spending if they want to build up their block?

jwick 04-13-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N (Post 3167329)
Any suggestions on the recommended internal upgrades if you want your engine to last? And maybe an idea of how much someone's looking at spending if they want to build up their block?

What is your intended purpose for the built block? N/A? FI? WHP/WTQ levels?

theDreamer 04-13-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3167333)
What is your intended purpose for the built block? N/A? FI? WHP/WTQ levels?

This is huge, what are you building the engine for, N/A v Boost will be very different.
Such as Dwnshift (Doran Racing) is built for racing and must stay N/A others here are going SC/TT/T and need different compression, rev limits, etc.

For the OP, it really depends, the engines are good so far with many people putting on high mileage with boost but you also need to invest in supporting mods, a good tune, and keeping up proper maintenance.

dP3NGU1N 04-13-2015 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3167333)
What is your intended purpose for the built block? N/A? FI? WHP/WTQ levels?

I suppose for the sake of this thread FI would be the desired hypothetical here. Since the engine "seems" (with exceptions) to be reliable up to 450/500whp, what say we assume it's over that threshold.

This is meant to be purely hypothetical and give people a ball park for how much work they can expect to put into a build. If I do go FI, it won't be for atleast 3 more years.

jwick 04-13-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N (Post 3167477)
I suppose for the sake of this thread FI would be the desired hypothetical here. Since the engine "seems" (with exceptions) to be reliable up to 450/500whp, what say we assume it's over that threshold.

This is meant to be purely hypothetical and give people a ball park for how much work they can expect to put into a build. If I do go FI, it won't be for atleast 3 more years.

Here's a good start

2009+ Nissan 370z VQ37VHR Custom Engine Packages

Dwnshift 04-13-2015 04:55 PM

Internal upgradess
 
2015 we run billet cranks now which were approved... They are a couple lbs heavier than OEM cranks but they are lasting.
We are limited to 8750 on the RPM.
I heavily suggest dry sump or bare min NISMO oil pump.

Also from what we have seen... 1 missed shift..... Can be all it takes.




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DOOMMONKEY777 04-14-2015 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift (Post 3167731)
2015 we run billet cranks now which were approved... They are a couple lbs heavier than OEM cranks but they are lasting.
We are limited to 8750 on the RPM.
I heavily suggest dry sump or bare min NISMO oil pump.

Also from what we have seen... 1 missed shift..... Can be all it takes.




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yeah dude the reciprocating motion is whats destroying the crankshaft, the cylinders and rods are very heavy and under 8750rpm its just a crazy amount of stress. If u would have upgraded to lighter rods that do actually have an oiling port, u would have been good. I dont know if its allowed in ur competitions, i my self have recently drew titanium rods total weight with bushing and APR 2000 bolts ~450grams, i think with OEM crank u can reach 10k rpm and maybe even more.

Dwnshift 04-14-2015 08:17 AM

Not an option


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DOOMMONKEY777 04-14-2015 03:04 PM

Well in that case since they allowed billet crank, ill they allow other metals such as Titanium crankshaft?

Dwnshift 04-14-2015 04:36 PM

Negative.


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phunk 04-14-2015 05:31 PM

Dwnshift: Are you running a proprietary billet crank or an off the shelf aftermarket crank that anyone can buy?


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