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604GZ 03-14-2015 03:06 AM

Help car not craking with load
 
i have absolutely no idea what is going this how the problem started
i was driving showing my friend what the car is like underboost, we just went around the block came to a stop and took off, i made to third gear and the car shut off no weird noise or jerks at all. come to a full stop try to start it and this started to happen any ideas maybe timing chain or sensor? engine has 54000 miles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHt_eef4oVA

reldas 03-14-2015 05:36 AM

oh damn thats sounds so bad, i hope its nothing major

nismolucino 03-14-2015 09:43 AM

Well the motors is turning over so thats atleast a good sign. You would really have to start diagnosing, do you have a fuel pressure gauge? Its possible that the pump failed.

604GZ 03-14-2015 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by reldas (Post 3137673)
oh damn thats sounds so bad, i hope its nothing major

i hope so!

604GZ 03-14-2015 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nismolucino (Post 3137826)
Well the motors is turning over so thats atleast a good sign. You would really have to start diagnosing, do you have a fuel pressure gauge? Its possible that the pump failed.

no i don't have a fuel pressure gauge but when the engine turns over i can hear pops from the exhaust. not too sure if that means there is fuel spraying in the combustion chambers

604GZ 03-14-2015 03:14 PM

i could smell an odd burning odor it is quite possible to be electric maybe when the i car came to a complete stop i say white smoke from the engine bay

Trips 03-14-2015 03:35 PM

I think you maybe needing more than online help.

Your symptoms are starting to sound like you need to have a reputable shop take a look and see whats going on.

604GZ 03-15-2015 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Trips (Post 3138014)
I think you maybe needing more than online help.

Your symptoms are starting to sound like you need to have a reputable shop take a look and see whats going on.

definitely will be taking it to a shop i was hoping to see if anyone else had maybe the same symptoms or issues and get a rough idea of what it could be

DOOMMONKEY777 03-16-2015 07:23 PM

Umm check fuses and u might pin point ur problem.

604GZ 03-17-2015 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777 (Post 3139803)
Umm check fuses and u might pin point ur problem.

i did check i completely overlooked the fuses but they all are good

604GZ 03-18-2015 08:39 PM

so i pulled apart the intake plenum had a look at all the valves and they are all working and don't seem to be bent. i pulled out the spark plug and notice there wasn't any spark. tomorrow i will get a compression and leak down tester and see what happens

MR.nismo 03-18-2015 08:50 PM

I know what it is.
You are not "craking" it hard enough.
On a serious note, lack of fuel perhaps. Maybe there is no fuel getting into the engine. If the engine is turning is most likely no fuel going into or no spark being produced. I saw the video and my guess is no fuel and no spark. (I'm good at stating the obvious ahh) clogged fuel filter, burned plug wires. I saw the video, so wires, coils, fuel pump.
Ahhh I remember once, when I had an Evo, the main intake hose popped off during boost and I thought for a moment that I blew something since the engine just died. Once I opened the hood I could see what it was.
So the basics are check for fuel, spark, electrical and all the hoses. If nothing then I don't know what else. Now, get craking!

SouthArk370Z 03-20-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 604GZ (Post 3141930)
so i pulled apart the intake plenum had a look at all the valves and they are all working and don't seem to be bent. i pulled out the spark plug and notice there wasn't any spark. tomorrow i will get a compression and leak down tester and see what happens

Since you know enough to get to the valves, you probably already know that the plugs need to be grounded to work, but I'll throw that out there just in case.

If only one plug is not firing, I look first to make sure the coil was getting the proper power, then at the coil itself.

If none of the plugs are firing, I'd look at the wiring from the ECM to the coils.

FSM has wiring details and trouble-shooting procedures.

604GZ 03-20-2015 08:46 PM

So after doing a compression test and getting 0 on all 6 cylinders i decided to take the crankcase cover off. i had to drop the oil pan to get to the last to bolts and i noticed shards and pieces of what looks like oil sprayers and bigger chunkier pieces. whatever broke is most likely the problem of why i am not having compression now to figure out where these pieces came from !

http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2mq7ad0b.jpg

http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/...psrjknhcnb.jpg

http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/...psv3eocx6p.jpg

http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/...psmwfhgvtw.jpg

Bulletz4break 03-20-2015 09:48 PM

That doesn't look good..

MR.nismo 03-21-2015 05:56 PM

So by looking at the pics, the problem is way bigger than anticipated. I feel your pain. The bright side is, now would be the perfect time to "crak" apart the engine and do internal upgrades.
Do you mind telling us how it happened? Were you driving it hard moments before or just happened out of the blue? I know you were showing your friend the car but how hard or easy were you on the throttle.

604GZ 03-21-2015 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 3144789)
So by looking at the pics, the problem is way bigger than anticipated. I feel your pain. The bright side is, now would be the perfect time to "crak" apart the engine and do internal upgrades.
Do you mind telling us how it happened? Were you driving it hard moments before or just happened out of the blue? I know you were showing your friend the car but how hard or easy were you on the throttle.

thanks for the concern! So this is exactly what happened my friend has not seen the car since i got it and wanted to go for a ride. i took him around the block first stretch no problem with boost. second stretch with boost again no problems, now third stretch i take off im going i get to third gear let of the throttle slow down a bit and hit it again then slow down to a complete stop. after the 4 way stop sign was clear i went right off the line first second third now the car is cruising i am off the throttle and i try to turn right to make way for a car and i notice my steering is hard look at my RPM 0 i pull over and try to start it and no more compression looking at my boos controller my safe boost is 11 i hit 14.2 somehow

604GZ 03-22-2015 12:10 AM

So finally i got some good news the compression issue is now fixed the timing was thrown off really bad intake valves are all good but i cant see the exhaust valves fingers crossed they are okay! now as for the what caused the timing jump i have two theory's i know for sure that the the tensioner had something to do with it [Marked with the red arrow]. Now if you look at by bank two with the green arrow that cardboard type gasket blew out. Now i am not to sure what that is can anyone chime in on what that exactly is? in the youtube video the number one spark plug was out

http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/...psgaek4raz.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz0uQShTiUg

Leroydsouza 03-22-2015 12:34 AM

its so badass that you guys can just go around poking inside your engines.
I have downloaded 'How to remove AT gear knob' sooo well hats off to u guys who just jump inside their engines. Maybe i shall too one day.

Good luck with your problem.

604GZ 03-22-2015 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Leroydsouza (Post 3145086)
its so badass that you guys can just go around poking inside your engines.
I have downloaded 'How to remove AT gear knob' sooo well hats off to u guys who just jump inside their engines. Maybe i shall too one day.

Good luck with your problem.

thanks man i really appreciate it!

90 ST 03-22-2015 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 604GZ (Post 3145070)
So finally i got some good news the compression issue is now fixed the timing was thrown off really bad intake valves are all good but i cant see the exhaust valves fingers crossed they are okay! now as for the what caused the timing jump i have two theory's i know for sure that the the tensioner had something to do with it [Marked with the red arrow]. Now if you look at by bank two with the green arrow that cardboard type gasket blew out. Now i am not to sure what that is can anyone chime in on what that exactly is? in the youtube video the number one spark plug was out

http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/...psgaek4raz.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz0uQShTiUg

Bigger question was what was in the oil pan? Did you figure out what the pieces were from?

604GZ 03-22-2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 3145124)
Bigger question was what was in the oil pan? Did you figure out what the pieces were from?

so what was in the oil pan is called oil jets. now i know there are 3 locate under the block spraying under the pistons and apparently one located in the crankcase. Now i think the crankcase one is broken since i can't seem to find it. I will be going to the dealership to pick up new gaskets and ECT Monday and i will know for sure.

MR.nismo 03-23-2015 04:31 PM

So from 11 PSI went to 14.2 PSI. That much boost (relatively) is the cause of the failure? WOW, is incredible as what a few LBS of boost can do.
I had an Evolution a few years ago, and after installing HKS exhaust, air filter and a Profec B controller, the damn wastegate actuator went bad and I could easily hit 25 LBS of boost. My limits were set to 19 since I did not wanted to fry the turbo. Anyhow, I manage to stay away from heavy loads off boost (until wastegate was replaced) thus saving the turbo and possibly the engine.
Since you mentioned the over boost, once you get everything back together take a look at your boost controller. I suggest a manual boost controller over a electronic unit. In some instances you can install a manual controller inside the cockpit so you can adjust on the go. I had two electronic units and both failed at one point or another.
Good luck on the findings and repairs.

Elmo370z 03-24-2015 12:28 PM

Darn, lot of burgers in the oil pan.

Super Werty 03-24-2015 12:51 PM

Those are some big chunks to have flying around. I would start looking for a replacement engine

604GZ 03-25-2015 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 3146493)
So from 11 PSI went to 14.2 PSI. That much boost (relatively) is the cause of the failure? WOW, is incredible as what a few LBS of boost can do.
I had an Evolution a few years ago, and after installing HKS exhaust, air filter and a Profec B controller, the damn wastegate actuator went bad and I could easily hit 25 LBS of boost. My limits were set to 19 since I did not wanted to fry the turbo. Anyhow, I manage to stay away from heavy loads off boost (until wastegate was replaced) thus saving the turbo and possibly the engine.
Since you mentioned the over boost, once you get everything back together take a look at your boost controller. I suggest a manual boost controller over a electronic unit. In some instances you can install a manual controller inside the cockpit so you can adjust on the go. I had two electronic units and both failed at one point or another.
Good luck on the findings and repairs.

i am going to have my tuner shop take a look at the boost controller the instruction manual is no help to get into the settings! seems to complicated to use. unless someone here who might know how to get to the boost settings

http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/...psc12e6457.jpg

604GZ 03-30-2015 04:45 PM

So i got everything on and got the motor run all is well! so i thought something just told me to drop the oil pan one more time to see if anymore goodies showed up and i found a broken piston ring :( so i decided i am just going to pull the motor and swap it. anyone have any idea on how i remove the motor the front end is all out? i do have an engine hoist

MR.nismo 03-30-2015 05:11 PM

I hope this can help a bit (I know you are not doing such replacement but it can be beneficial at some point) http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...on-mounts.html
Search through the forum (especially on the DIY section) and you can find many removal projects, some with cool pics and details.
The engine removal is just like any other car and that is.....disconnect/remove as you go along. I will post more links as I find them. I hope the link can help you since you are going to need a few extra hands/help.
Are you doing it by yourself or do you have and can count on some friends?

604GZ 03-31-2015 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 3154461)
I hope this can help a bit (I know you are not doing such replacement but it can be beneficial at some point) http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...on-mounts.html
Search through the forum (especially on the DIY section) and you can find many removal projects, some with cool pics and details.
The engine removal is just like any other car and that is.....disconnect/remove as you go along. I will post more links as I find them. I hope the link can help you since you are going to need a few extra hands/help.
Are you doing it by yourself or do you have and can count on some friends?

thank you for the info!

MR.nismo 04-20-2015 11:16 PM

I was wondering how are things going with your engine rebuild or replacement. Any progress?

dP3NGU1N 04-21-2015 12:41 AM

Apparently it's easiest to pull these engines from the bottom. Don't know if you've already done it or not, but thought I'd mention it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfD-5FBmqiU

604GZ 04-30-2015 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 3174669)
I was wondering how are things going with your engine rebuild or replacement. Any progress?

Sorry guys i have been so busy i had gotten the motor to run but it ran bad a piston ring was found broken and the piston was cracked so
i ended up just buying a whole another motor and just built the bottom end up with stock comp ration 11:1 forged weisco pistons forged eagle rods acl bearings and etc. i kept the same ratio because i am very satisfied the hp don't need more just wanted the car to be bullet proof i will post a video hopefully soon with the everything in. im just waiting to get my turbo manifolds welded and i will have everything back together

MR.nismo 04-30-2015 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 604GZ (Post 3183490)
Sorry guys i have been so busy i had gotten the motor to run but it ran bad a piston ring was found broken and the piston was cracked so
i ended up just buying a whole another motor and just built the bottom end up with stock comp ration 11:1 forged weisco pistons forged eagle rods acl bearings and etc. i kept the same ratio because i am very satisfied the hp don't need more just wanted the car to be bullet proof i will post a video hopefully soon with the everything in. im just waiting to get my turbo manifolds welded and i will have everything back together

Good to hear that. You are doing it the correct way by building/strengthening some weak points. :tup: Now you know you will have a stronger engine to play with. If you can post some pics please.

604GZ 05-11-2015 02:06 AM

trying to juggle work and the car is not easy sorry for the late reply guys! so just an update i swapped everything over from the old engine i set up the the turbos and everything made sure all the hardware and line are run correctly. i start my car and it runs, it is not running smooth as it should and it is very lean 16 on idle goes down when i throttle i ran for codes and get bank 1 is lean also the down pipe on the passenger side might not be fully sealed


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