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fuct 08-06-2014 09:09 AM

i must have read your wordy post wrong, my bad.

post on OP!

Avinking 08-08-2014 06:50 PM

So is it real?
 
Well I am a little confused so basically what you're saying is that the seats the wheel and the shift aren't real leather although they presented in Nissan website as real?
I am trying to get the car but I can not buy leather...
I even called Nissan Japan headquarter to ask if I can somehow get the car with no leather.

If it is really the case and the steering wheel and shift aren't real leather I would love to know...
Thanks guys.

~37oZ~ 08-09-2014 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avinking (Post 2924578)
Well I am a little confused so basically what you're saying is that the seats the wheel and the shift aren't real leather although they presented in Nissan website as real?
I am trying to get the car but I can not buy leather...
I even called Nissan Japan headquarter to ask if I can somehow get the car with no leather.

If it is really the case and the stirring wheel and shift aren't real leather I would love to know...
Thanks guys.

Not exactly, Nissan says their seats are "appointed" leather, meaning it's fake leather, disigned to feel and look like leather. From the pictures I posted of the seats magnified it proves that the seats are made of a plastic material and not genuine leather.

As for the steering wheel, shift knob and e-brake handle, Nissan says it's real leather BUT it doesn't look like leather under the microscope so it might be a semi synthetic of some sort.

So, long story short:

Seats- not leather but a plastic material

Seat/door inserts- not Alcantara, Nubuck or Suede but also a plastic fiber.

Steering wheel, shift knob and e-brake handle- According to Nissan it's leather (but does not look like leather once examined at 200x under a microscope, so possibly a semi synthetic)

Hope that helps

Avinking 08-09-2014 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~37oZ~ (Post 2925227)
Not exactly, Nissan says their seats are "appointed" leather, meaning it's fake leather, disigned to feel and look like leather. From the pictures I posted of the seats magnified it proves that the seats are made of a plastic material and not genuine leather.

As for the steering wheel, shift knob and e-brake handle, Nissan says it's real leather BUT it doesn't look like leather under the microscope so it might be a semi synthetic of some sort.

So, long story short:

Seats- not leather but a plastic material

Seat/door inserts- not Alcantara, Nubuck or Suede but also a plastic fiber.

Steering wheel, shift knob and e-brake handle- According to Nissan it's leather (but does not look like leather once examined at 200x under a microscope, so possibly a semi synthetic)

Hope that helps



Thanks thats definitely helps, I will just need to verify this some how as for the Knob and Steering wheel.
How can I find an experts who can check it like you did?

Thank you again.

~37oZ~ 08-17-2014 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avinking (Post 2925297)
Thanks thats definitely helps, I will just need to verify this some how as for the Knob and Steering wheel.
How can I find an experts who can check it like you did?

Thank you again.

I'm not to sure, my friend randomly had the microscope for this exact reason. So I borrowed his. Maybe try to find one cheap on ebay of something. Good luck.

Avinking 08-29-2014 04:48 AM

Maybe
 
I think I need someone who knows what to look for, me with a microscope wont help:)
Do you now how to get hold on someone who is an expert with materials?

mcphelps 08-29-2014 10:14 AM

I believe "leather appointed" means that parts of it are leather. I would assume that the sections that actually touch you when you are seated are leather (excluding the fake suede), and all other parts are not, like the sides of the seats. Also, the parts designed to tear for airbag deployment might not be leather, either.
Most automotive leather is "pigmented leather" which has a polymer coating for color and durability. Maybe the pores are cover by that.

Avinking 08-29-2014 12:31 PM

2015
 
Well the seats are not an issue any more, the 2015 Z has the Sport Tech package which is great.
I just got a call the other day from one of the dealers that told me that NIssan "listened to me" and made this available, but it's still a problem with the steering wheel.

theDreamer 08-29-2014 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avinking (Post 2947221)
Well the seats are not an issue any more, the 2015 Z has the Sport Tech package which is great.
I just got a call the other day from one of the dealers that told me that NIssan "listened to me" and made this available, but it's still a problem with the steering wheel.

The seats are exactly the same in the 2015.

Avinking 08-29-2014 01:10 PM

I meant that I don't need to take the touring for the tech package.
I can get it with cloth seats now, so no more leather seats issue, only wheel and shift knob... Getting there...;)

tvfreakazoid 09-24-2014 05:24 AM

Thanks and good to know.
So what do u use to keep ur interior clean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~37oZ~ (Post 2896636)
Hello everyone,

Just wanted to share a little bit of information in regards to the material used in our cars, hoping it will be useful to maybe someone. I own a 40th anniversary and wanted to detail my Z this past weekend so I was searching around forums trying to figure out what our interior material is actually made of. Many seem to believe it’s made of leather for the seats and Alcantara for inserts for the seats and doors.

After many hours or research, I couldn’t find a 100% definite answer with hard evidence or proof of said claims. The reason I wanted to figure this out indefinitely was for the purpose of using the right chemicals for the appropriate material, not wanting to use a nubuck or suede cleaner on Alcantara or vice versa in fear of discoloring or damaging the material.

The actual brand “Alcantara” usually has a visible tag indicating it to be such just like seats have the “SRS” logos to indicate that the vehicle is equipped with such feature. The reason they have this tag on genuine Alcantara equipped car is mainly for prestige but also to authtincate, this was the first “red flag” that made me question the authenticity of our “Alcantara” material.

At first I figure I would stop by a local high end detailing shop here in my city and speak with the owner that has 30+ years detailing countless exotic cars to see if he would know what materials are used in the car. Long story short, he said the leather portion most definitely looks and feels like leather but he would be shocked if Nissan used really genuine leather in a sports car where they are trying very hard to stay competitive from not only a performance level but also a from a price point perspective as well and he also added even his own Lamborghini also isn’t 100% genuine leather either and he felt the same way about this Alcantara material too in my 40th.

He was also the one to tell me about the Alcantara tags. This sounded like a legitimate answer to me and begged the question, “how will I know for sure?” The only answer was to take the material and examine it under a microscope 200x and go from there…

After using a microscope on the leather, it revealed not to be leather at all but a synthetic plastic compound or it seems anyway? The “Alcantara” also was not real Alcantara or nubuck/suede but also a plastic material I believe. So the whole purpose of this post is to shed some light on the topic and hopefully save someone serious cash in premium detailing products! You don’t NEED to opt for that high end leather cleaner/conditioner or that special Alcantara cleaner if you don’t want to as they are simply not necessary and may damage these plastics if the wrong products are used in the long run.

For the faux Alcantara material, a simple solution of woollite and water will work great since it is a plastic fiber material much like many articles of clothing that woollite was originally developed for providing a deep clean to remove body oils and dirt. Using a cleaner designed for the other materials like nubuck or suede can cause the plastic fibers to become stuck together and nappy looking, and can even cause deterioration of the plastic material causing it to lose that fuzzy texture and fading of color.

Also, the same goes for the plastic “leather” conditioner and cleaner made for real leather can possibly also damage this plastic material due to the oils and detergents causing the coloring material on the seat skin to flake or peel over time, even possibly weakening the material allowing it to snag and rip much easier from every day average use and color fade or so I’m told. I’m not sure what you can use for faux leather, maybe a vinyl cleaner possibly? I’ll probably just use a good leather cleaner when I can get it on sale, because I’m not sure if it actually will harms anything, I’m just going off of what the “experts” are saying.

Hopefully I’ve contributed some useful info for everyone which hopefully saves someone some money! Or at least cool magnified pictures of our interior material LOL. Thanks for reading!

As you can see below, no pores that real leather would normally have...
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...661/52bc33.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...540/ac2db3.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...661/0b1603.jpg

This table below, shows what different genuine leather looks like when magnified like I did with my interior.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...631/ab4404.png

This is the faux Alcantara magnified, also what Alcantara, suede and nubuck do not look like when magnified.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...673/9ed055.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...661/e8dd31.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...673/e0a481.jpg


~37oZ~ 09-26-2014 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 2976413)
Thanks and good to know.
So what do u use to keep ur interior clean?

I use a mixture of woolite and water for the alcantara type material and it works great and I'm not spending huge amounts of cash for the "Alcantara Cleaner". I use a leather cleaner that I pick up on sale for cheap and is of pretty high quality (AutoGlym) but like I said, even a vinyl cleaner would work on the seats since it's not real leather or at least whatever coating that's exposed on the material will be a plastic based coating so a vinyl cleaner works too if you want to save some cash and not buy the premium leather stuff either.

However, I use the leather cleaner and conditioning balm from Autoglym because I can get it very cheap and works well even if the material is not leather. I found the conditioners in the leather cleaner I use keeps the seat material soft and is gentle enough for plastics plus its Ph balanced.

Here's a link from another thread that outlines a great way to clean seats with woolite. :tup: It's in post #6

http://www.the370z.com/40th-annivers...alcantara.html

Hope that helps.

Limeybastard 09-27-2014 03:53 PM

Got any pics of genuine alcantara magnified?

~37oZ~ 10-02-2014 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limeybastard (Post 2980622)
Got any pics of genuine alcantara magnified?

Not yet unfortunately.

DEpointfive0 10-02-2014 02:03 AM

I got a bunch of pics of the steering wheel magnified

Definitely fake as hell


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