I am not the one that needs the help. Besides the point I am not trying to argue with anyone I am going off of what I have seen people do when I worked in a detailing shop. It is very possible to swirl a paint job pretty easily on a clean surface. Like I said use something like a wool pad and a aggressive compound that will do it. Granted it is 10x easier to mess up paint with a "high speed" buffer.

Obviously, if you use an aggressive cutting setup, you're going to get a marred surface. That's part of the beast.

That's why you follow it up with a lighter compound to take out the marring the aggressive cut creates.

I agree that it's easier for an amateur to create paint defects with a high-speed buffer, hence the popularity of many lower-speed dual action polishers. I don't understand, though, how this applies to the discussion as most of us here don't use these tools or work in a body shop.

It's very important for anyone who's thinking about paint correction to educate themselves on what buffers, pads, and compounds to use to achieve their goals. If they go at it with a brillo pad glued to a high speed makita, I assume they're going to have serious issues.

I think we can all agree a dirty pad or surface can cause swirls, but I too have to disagree about a clean orbital buffers causing swirls with certain pad and compound combinations. It's more likely that there is a contaminant in the pad, compound or surface. Compounds/polishes are suppose to technically "sand" down the clear coat as we've all agreed. I think the arguement here is basically what you define as "swirls". A coarse polish technically causes "swirls" to flatten everything out. That's why you finish it with a finer "finish" polish. I for example, use Meg's 105 followed by 205. The 105 leaves a somewhat duller finish than I starter with a more uniform "swirls" throughout. The 105 reduces those "swirls" to even smaller "swirls".

Also, to avoid further confusion. There are basically three types of polishers/buffers available. A rotary, dual-action and the flex type which is sort of a hybrid of both. A rotary polisher, by its nature will cause ghosting/holograms or burn the paint before you ever get true "swirls" caused by improper technique.

the best wax/sealant is one that is easy (super easy) to apply and maintain for the normal folk.

Prima Hydro plain and simple.

get it from phil over at www.detailersdomain.com :)

The truth is you will never achieve a shine with wax alone. You must polish a cars paint in order to get a greater shine from the paint. You can protect and make it feel slick with wax but this will not change any imperfections in the paint surface. IF you want to cheat polishing, just use Zaino products as they produce a nice "shine" after applied but they do not require orbital polishing. Whoever said that earlier was right on point. Good luck but sounds like you may benefit from a cleaner wax or an all in one type product. It all depends on how committed you are to your cars appearance.

Waxes that have fillers will hide the imperfections. Sometimes these waxes are called "glazes".

Regardless, you're completely correct. When people wax and the car looks better, they're seeing this imperfections filled in and they think the wax gives the car more of a gloss, when it's really just a more uniform surface area reflecting the light more evenly.

Americana works well for me.

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Americana is excellent and is all I use, but I'll bet you a dollar that you didn't get that finish on that car without machine polishing as the first step.



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hmm... the reviews on the americana are pretty stellar. think im going to have to grab a tub. expensive but if it looks that good and can go through 30+ applications it seems worth it.

To answer the OP's question: goldRush Rally (tm) Wax | 1of 1

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Better start saving your pennies now. It costs around $100,000.

You'd have to be a complete douchebag/idiot to ever think paying that much for a wax is going to outshine any other high quality wax out there. The fact that it exist merely points toward how truly gullible the super rich are to a pretty simple wax product. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

It's the same as producing speakers that cost the same amount. There are people that want only the best and they will spend that kind of money to get "the best", regardless of whether or not the quality is better than something else.

I'm assuming this wax is promoted heavily in Saudi Arabia or the UAE... I'm sure it would look super on a chromed Veyron.

It was definitely machine polished. As you know though, Americana just amplifies the shine. :tup:

You'll get closer to 50 applications on a Z car. It also comes with a 110% guarantee...but to my knowledge, not a single pot of Americana has ever been returned. :)

Yes. Machine polished, Super Sealant, Brilliant Glaze, Americana. It's hard for me to understand people thinking they can get any kind of depth of shine with just some brand of car wax from WalMart. Best appearance is not about the wax alone...the wax is just one step in the process. A necessary step for best depth of shine, but just one step.

I'm just a rank amateur with a Porter Cable (having become a believer, I recently moved up to a Flex), but I absolutely know that the difference between polishing-waxing and just waxing is very, very apparent.

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B-E-A-utiful!!!

^ Car looks perfect. Well done.

If duriability was not an issue for you. Then going any way sealent or paste wouldn't hurt.
It's up to your preference, each has it own charatristic look wise and application ease.
Paste is more for the pleasure of smelling the nice wax and feeling the car with your own hand, quite an intimate experience (depend of the paste your using).
Sealent across the board smell like chemicals but does the job quite nicely and the durability is not an issue at all compared to paste wax.

Now that's my personal fav. for the bling look you can use:
Paste: P21s with there cleaner wax
Paste: Wolfgang Fuzion with there cleaner wax
Sealent: Blackfire (slickest touch to the hand, you will glide your hand over the car every single time.. so slick to the touch)
Sealent: Menzerna